BCL MRX Bison Bolt Action .223 - or 5.56

With that flat bottom handguard, it seems odd that they would not just give it an integral ARCA rail. Or am I dumb for thinking this? I guess it's too narrow?
 
Mlock's on the bottom and sides for the bison, the The LRX ARCTOS precision rifle they are coming out with has the ARCA.
 
Man, I have a hard time with someone trying to make a high quality part with Haas machines. I know that they probably work fine, but it seriously makes me look at a product different when I know it was made on a Haas.
 
Man, I have a hard time with someone trying to make a high quality part with Haas machines. I know that they probably work fine, but it seriously makes me look at a product different when I know it was made on a Haas.


If you assume that they probably work fine.... what's the issue exactly? "Probably" sounds like you have no experience using Hass machines to make guns but maybe I'm reading to much into your cryptic criticism?

Is Hass a "Princess Auto" solution for someone on a budget?
 
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Man, I have a hard time with someone trying to make a high quality part with Haas machines. I know that they probably work fine, but it seriously makes me look at a product different when I know it was made on a Haas.

I think you'd be shocked how much of the stuff you think is the greatest thing ever, is made on a Haas.

You know not of the subject you speak.
 
Is Hass a "Princess Auto" solution for someone on a budget?
Haas is the most common, best selling machine tool brand in North America. They are very capable and competitively ptoc priced. They have one of the best, operator friendly controls in the industry. The Chevy truck of machine tools, I like to say. Are they the best? Of course not. They get a lot of hate from morons who don't have to pay for the machines they run. Or were told once from someone that they suck.
 
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Man, I have a hard time with someone trying to make a high quality part with Haas machines. I know that they probably work fine, but it seriously makes me look at a product different when I know it was made on a Haas.

You sound like the kind of person whose opinion on tools should be instantly discarded. Anyone who thinks that Haas machines are less capable is someone who clearly doesn't know much about machining.
 
You sound like the kind of person whose opinion on tools should be instantly discarded. Anyone who thinks that Haas machines are less capable is someone who clearly doesn't know much about machining.

I know this. My personal experience is all with Okuma machines. One of my clients uses Haas. I have never since buying my used Okuma ever needed to fix anything on it. My buddy with the new Haas has replaced every drive on his machine and will never buy another one. I also know that Haas is the most common machine out there and nearly every Haas owner is very happy with them. I still have an irrational scepticism about them and will never own one. Especially when you consider the fact that there are a number of Japanese machines available at similar or just slightly higher pricing.

Oh, and you sound like somebody that’s bitter about being stuck with a Haas.
 
I'm interested in the BCL MRX Bison, but I do think it's a little heavy for what it's intended for by design (or so it appears). BCL and their history is very spotty on the quality control and tolerances, but they have been getting consistently better from what I see and hear. I had several NEA-15's, and they ran very well and accurate - but I didn't play Lego with them, to hit compatibility issues. I'm always silently rooting for them, just disappointed with the whole badger and catamount results (or lack of), and our Liberal government has screwed us all over. I'm really hopeful to see some good future releases from BCL, but I do think that is tied to our political future.
 
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Man, I have a hard time with someone trying to make a high quality part with Haas machines. I know that they probably work fine, but it seriously makes me look at a product different when I know it was made on a Haas.

If you assume that they probably work fine.... what's the issue exactly? "Probably" sounds like you have no experience using Hass machines to make guns but maybe I'm reading to much into your cryptic criticism?

Is Hass a "Princess Auto" solution for someone on a budget?

I too am curious. please educate me on the different CNC machines and what separates the good from the bad.
 
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I too am curious. please educate me on the different CNC machines and what separates the good from the bad.

That’s a while massive topic on its own, far outside the reaches of this. However I’ll give some insight into Haas machines.

They are relatively inexpensive due to their construction. One economization is that they use commercial linear guides as their ways. This makes them fast and accurate, but they can lack durability, and heavy use or abuse tends to cause accelerated problems. If run properly, this doesn’t present a serious problem. They are like a Chevy truck, in that you can have repair parts the next day for any machine ever made by Haas. If something goes down, a Haas in a major center can (potentially) be fixed by the end of day.

On the flip side, many other machine makers use box ways, which are massive chunks of cast iron that are precision ground and fitted. These have incredible durability, but are often slower moving and can have less inherent accuracy than an equivalent Haas machine. However, many of these kinds of machines are made in batches, and don’t necessarily have access to quick repairs. A 20+ year old Japanese machine might run great, but if something breaks, then you’re off to eBay to scour the globe for replacement parts.

You can buy older CNC machines from great makers for very cheap, but you always run the risk that some failure results in a worthless hunk of iron. On the other hand, Haas machines retain their value because if something breaks, there’s a good chance the replacement is sitting on the shelf of a well stocked Haas vendor, or gauranteed a week away straight from Haas.
 
I see the Bison has hit several LGS lately and it is an encouraging sign that they have all been sold out. I am hoping buyers of this rifle are on CGN and will be able to post some real life feedback on how it functions.
 
I’m less interested in the tool that is used to make the firearm than the guy that is using the tool.

There are some very high quality firearms made with simple tools by skilled craftsmen and they command top dollar.
 
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