OK, You asked for it ... What are the most overrated RIFLE cartridges?
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A couple friends own the 16.1" I've just done load dev for them. Mine is 18.7"
Yes factory Federal Premium 180gr Nosler Partition ^
non archer are always making the same mystake ... that was the same done by an ex biologist in the yukon trying to explain to the crowd that an arrow will not break the bones of a bison as needed to harvest one ... when we tried to change the law ... lol
Brutus
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I has not implying arrows impart hydrostatic force of any kind sir.
Penetration energy. Whether the broadhead hits flesh or bone.
You seem to be seeking an argument that will not exist.
Have a great day.
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I swear by Prvi softpoints, in several calibres.
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I agree
but it's a bullet brand that to date the only PRVI bullet I've used is the 285gr in the 
".366 Wagner". Haven't tried it out in the field , yet, but on paper, accuracy is excellent. Gonna have to try some other calibres .I'm sure many hunters out there shoot factory ammo in their 308 for hunting
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This forum is not necessarily reflective of the much larger hunting community. Many (most) hunters I know use factory ammo. Most target shooters and hobbyists I know, on the other hand, reload.
7.62x39 (123gr PSP @ 2465 fps, loaded to SAAMI max PSI) vs 16.1" 308 (150gr factory Rem Core Lokt @ 2496 fps)
7.62x39 123gr PSP @ 2464 fps
BC .275
100y +2" , 2180 fps, 1296 ft lbs energy
200y -1.6" , 1913 fps, 999 ft lbs
300y -15", 1670 fps, 761 ft lbs
400y -41" , 1451 fps, 575 ft lbs
500y -83" , 1267 fps, 438 ft lbs
308 Win 150gr Rem CL @ 2496 fps
BC .314
100y +2" , 2243 fps, 1676 ft lbs
200y -1.2" , 2006 fps, 1340 ft lbs
300y -13" , 1784 fps, 1059 ft lbs
400y -36" , 1580 fps, 831 ft lbs
500y -73" , 1398 fps, 651 ft lbs
Hardly apples to apples, as the 308 as loaded above, is about 15% below SAAMI max pressure. As you can see, even with the bluntest shape soft point, the 308 still has a noticeable ballistic advantage over an optimized 7.62x39 load
7.62x39 123gr PSP @ 2464 fps
BC .275
100y +2" , 2180 fps, 1296 ft lbs energy
200y -1.6" , 1913 fps, 999 ft lbs
300y -15", 1670 fps, 761 ft lbs
400y -41" , 1451 fps, 575 ft lbs
500y -83" , 1267 fps, 438 ft lbs
308 Win 150gr Rem CL @ 2496 fps
BC .314
100y +2" , 2243 fps, 1676 ft lbs
200y -1.2" , 2006 fps, 1340 ft lbs
300y -13" , 1784 fps, 1059 ft lbs
400y -36" , 1580 fps, 831 ft lbs
500y -73" , 1398 fps, 651 ft lbs
Hardly apples to apples, as the 308 as loaded above, is about 15% below SAAMI max pressure. As you can see, even with the bluntest shape soft point, the 308 still has a noticeable ballistic advantage over an optimized 7.62x39 load
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Cartridge : .[B]308 Win[/B]. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, [B]150, Remington PSP CoreLokt[/B]
Useable Case Capaci: 50.180 grain H2O = 3.258 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.770 inch = 70.36 mm
Barrel Length : [B]16.1 inch[/B] = 408.9 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
[B]Matching Muzzle Velocity: 2496 fps[/B] or 760 m/s
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
40 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon H4895 92.0 42.6 2.76 2496 95.2 52435 11499 0.902
IMR 8208 XBR 91.5 42.3 2.74 2496 96.4 53768 11110 0.892
IMR 4895 94.1 43.5 2.82 2496 94.1 51369 11738 0.906
IMR 3031 93.7 40.5 2.63 2496 99.3 49890 11145 0.911
Alliant AR-Comp 89.6 40.1 2.60 2496 100.0 50572 10346 0.907
Alliant Reloder-15 95.4 44.1 2.86 2496 93.5 52079 11650 0.902
IMR 4064 99.8 43.6 2.83 2496 94.3 54204 11175 0.887
Hodgdon VARGET 98.9 44.3 2.87 2496 93.8 54022 11245 0.885
Hodgdon H322 88.7 39.8 2.58 2496 99.2 52734 10802 0.896
Ramshot TAC 92.0 45.9 2.97 2496 91.6 54894 11339 0.886
Hodgdon H335 83.9 42.3 2.74 2496 98.4 52798 11040 0.898
Hodgdon Benchmark 91.8 41.8 2.71 2496 97.5 55589 10783 0.886
Hodgdon CFE223 89.0 45.9 2.97 2496 94.1 50131 11690 0.901
The 308 vs M43 argument has become circular and extremely boring. How many back-n-forth posts between you two on this?
Kinda hoping for Gatehouse to bring 375 H & H to the table just change the topic.
React poorly to this input and extremely caustically as well, I'll be OK... but for god's sake...let it die...please
Kinda hoping for Gatehouse to bring 375 H & H to the table just change the topic.
React poorly to this input and extremely caustically as well, I'll be OK... but for god's sake...let it die...please
I'm good for at least a few more
Honda Civic loses to Mustang in 1/4 mile race by a few car lengths. Mustang pedal down only 85% to floor. That's the M43 vs 308 Win
You know that at 100 yards the Prvi PSP 7.62x39 (not SAAMI and ~2550 fps) from an SKS is within 10 (ten) fps of the Nosler Trophy Grade 150 accubond from the Overrated Shorty 308 and ONE fps of the Remington 150 PSP.
It's fantasy to think the Shorty 308 is in a different class than the SKS.
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