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- Nova Scotia
I was lucky to get a reciever replaced when I shaved mine down too much. Took 4 months for BL to get back to me and about a month to fix.
GSG-16 - Cracked Bolt Housing ... With Pics
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I was lucky to get a reciever replaced when I shaved mine down too much. Took 4 months for BL to get back to me and about a month to fix.
Don't regret the purchase. For a 500 dollar plastic'ish gun, its a hell of a lot of fun. Even the most expensive guns can have issues. Don't worry about what could happen just plink away and have fun. I have had mine for a couple of very entertaining years. Just stay away from the 110 round drum. Its a POS in my humble opinion.
Metal Injection Moulding is typically a finely powdered metal injected under pressure/heat with a binder. The injection pin tags on a part is a clue to a parts origins.
As opposed to 'pot' metal which is usually a casting of metal alloys with zinc, copper, etc. - softer metals usually to simplify the casting.
In either case, they are often regarded as a shortcut of a means to an end - cheaper product and cheaper production costs.
I had a look at one of these things in the LGS, and while it looks pretty cool, it is definitely cheap.
Despite that, people seam to dig them.
I just wonder if there is a market to make them more robust and reliable.
I would happily pay $1500 for a gsg 16 9" mp5 clone that was factory built to a higher standard
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- Nova Scotia
Reasonable. As most of us are into these GSG for over 1000$.
That will change when gsg releases the factory 9" for $550.
You will be able to build a 9" mp5 clone for 700-800.
Obviously not the metal 522 kit but close looking
- drilling and tapping for 8-32 stainless bolts and replacing all the crappy quality factory screws
- swapping the forend for an aluminum tube, the charger handle tube with an aluminum tube bonded to it with JB Weld steel filled epoxy
- dismantling and polishing all the magazine sliding surfaces such that failures to feed are eliminated
- polishing the chamber
- making a stronger charging handle out of drill rod
- making takedown for cleaning the bolt tool-free while adding a UHMW block to retain the bolt stop block
- swapping out the Chicago screws for HK push pins
- cleaning up friction interfaces in the FCG
- swapping out the recoil springs for a lighter pair which allow reliable cycling of subsonic ammunition and ONLY shooting CCI SV...
...this stuff and probably a few things I'm forgetting have made my GSG-16 fun to maintain, fun to shoot, and far less likely to fail. If I want to shoot hyper-velocity ammunition I'll use my 10/22 or Little Badger, but frankly if I want more power (and inevitably a bit less accuracy, as subsonic .22lr is superior for printing small groups at distance) I'll go to my 9mm PCC or 6.5CM Sig Cross. With .22lr I just don't see the point of going supersonic, with the inevitably increased potential for damage to rather delicately made guns like the 10/22 and GSG-16.
Not everybody has the skills, or the patience, or the motivation, to bother with stuff like this. I get it, most shooters want their full expectations met out of the box without tinkering in the workshop or paying a gunsmith to do such things. Fine, if that's you, an adjustment in expections-for-money are in order. You're not getting an out of the box $1,500 gun for $500. Period. The closest I've seen to such a shockingly good bargain is the Sig Cross. It's amazingly well made for what I regard to be a bargain price. And even then it's close to $2,500 after taxes. My Pardini K12 air pistol shoots incredibly well, essentially a perfect air pistol - and I paid $2,250 for it, so I expect it to perform more or less perfectly for that price. Even so I've had to replace all the seals after 8 years, because even a perfect airgun can't stay sealed forever. But that's not a fly in the ointment, it's maintenance. I wouldn't expect the same pinpoint accuracy from a Crosman 2240 at 1/20th the price, but I have rebuilt my 2240 into a precision PCP carbine with remarkable accuracy... at considerable cost in money and time, sort of like the GSG-16. Different approaches. Not a lot of overlap. Paying $1,500 for an out of the box rugged GSG-16 doesn't interest me, as the format makes it more of a range toy than a precision rifle, a fun plinker more than a serious 'weapon.' The GSG-16 is like the 2240 of .22lr - lots of room for modification/improvement with a low entry price.
- swapping the forend for an aluminum tube, the charger handle tube with an aluminum tube bonded to it with JB Weld steel filled epoxy
- dismantling and polishing all the magazine sliding surfaces such that failures to feed are eliminated
- polishing the chamber
- making a stronger charging handle out of drill rod
- making takedown for cleaning the bolt tool-free while adding a UHMW block to retain the bolt stop block
- swapping out the Chicago screws for HK push pins
- cleaning up friction interfaces in the FCG
- swapping out the recoil springs for a lighter pair which allow reliable cycling of subsonic ammunition and ONLY shooting CCI SV...
...this stuff and probably a few things I'm forgetting have made my GSG-16 fun to maintain, fun to shoot, and far less likely to fail. If I want to shoot hyper-velocity ammunition I'll use my 10/22 or Little Badger, but frankly if I want more power (and inevitably a bit less accuracy, as subsonic .22lr is superior for printing small groups at distance) I'll go to my 9mm PCC or 6.5CM Sig Cross. With .22lr I just don't see the point of going supersonic, with the inevitably increased potential for damage to rather delicately made guns like the 10/22 and GSG-16.
Not everybody has the skills, or the patience, or the motivation, to bother with stuff like this. I get it, most shooters want their full expectations met out of the box without tinkering in the workshop or paying a gunsmith to do such things. Fine, if that's you, an adjustment in expections-for-money are in order. You're not getting an out of the box $1,500 gun for $500. Period. The closest I've seen to such a shockingly good bargain is the Sig Cross. It's amazingly well made for what I regard to be a bargain price. And even then it's close to $2,500 after taxes. My Pardini K12 air pistol shoots incredibly well, essentially a perfect air pistol - and I paid $2,250 for it, so I expect it to perform more or less perfectly for that price. Even so I've had to replace all the seals after 8 years, because even a perfect airgun can't stay sealed forever. But that's not a fly in the ointment, it's maintenance. I wouldn't expect the same pinpoint accuracy from a Crosman 2240 at 1/20th the price, but I have rebuilt my 2240 into a precision PCP carbine with remarkable accuracy... at considerable cost in money and time, sort of like the GSG-16. Different approaches. Not a lot of overlap. Paying $1,500 for an out of the box rugged GSG-16 doesn't interest me, as the format makes it more of a range toy than a precision rifle, a fun plinker more than a serious 'weapon.' The GSG-16 is like the 2240 of .22lr - lots of room for modification/improvement with a low entry price.
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- Nova Scotia
No Ruger 10/22 is the 2240 of the airgun world. As a 10/22 cannot be made into the closest to a prohib MP5 as we can get. That is why people are paying top dollar for a GSG 5 conversion kit. I seen people wanting to pay 100$ just for the metal GSG 5 cocking tube/front sight part. So no doubt people will pay 1000-1500 for a authentic MP5 clone.
But anyone that buys a MP5 type gun and expects a precision gun out of it, is delusional.
I never had to swap the spring for my GSG to shoot SV ammo reliable. I shoot CCI Subsonic HP and CCI standard velocity flawless out of my GSG.
Well I guess each one is different, perhaps. Or maybe mine could have broken in to cycle SV easily, but I didn't try anything hotter, and over the first 50 rounds or so it jammed with a spent case stovepiped and/or new cartridge wedged at an angle into the chamber about 1/3 of the time. Hence my move to try a pair of slightly lighter springs, which resolved that issue neatly.
With the many variants of custom 10/22 builds showing incredible diversity, from benchrest big boys through stubby suppressed tacticals in all-plastic to old-fashioned looking hunting rifles to rainbow hued things that look like airsoft meme rifles to you name it, even a few which try hard to look like an MP5 or at least similar class of plastic tactical rifle, I think my statement regarding the parallel between the 2240 and the 10/22 stands. If peoplel were rebuilding their GSG-16's into all manner of other configurations besides just trying to make them look like one of the several slightly different models of MP5, sure, I'd agree. But they don't. Nobody's stripping off the plastic shell and turning a GSG-16 into a wooden-stocked benchrest rifle. I've yet to see anything much deeper than cosmetic modification of one of these guns, where the 10/22, like the 2240, can go in many directions and end up looking nothing at all like the factory version.
With the many variants of custom 10/22 builds showing incredible diversity, from benchrest big boys through stubby suppressed tacticals in all-plastic to old-fashioned looking hunting rifles to rainbow hued things that look like airsoft meme rifles to you name it, even a few which try hard to look like an MP5 or at least similar class of plastic tactical rifle, I think my statement regarding the parallel between the 2240 and the 10/22 stands. If peoplel were rebuilding their GSG-16's into all manner of other configurations besides just trying to make them look like one of the several slightly different models of MP5, sure, I'd agree. But they don't. Nobody's stripping off the plastic shell and turning a GSG-16 into a wooden-stocked benchrest rifle. I've yet to see anything much deeper than cosmetic modification of one of these guns, where the 10/22, like the 2240, can go in many directions and end up looking nothing at all like the factory version.
The 10/22 is actually really terrible for using as a base to clone. Its main problem is the receiver is just too damn wide to fit into anything.
I've had a fun project that I've done on and off for a while.
It's using a Mossberg 702 as a base. I lucked out and the factory 18" barrel is just the right length to meet the end of the shroud. Its like less than 1mm over.
you make a good point, keeping spares is smart if you run it alot. but 15000 rounds is kinda low count i think alot of guns have a 30000 round count or higher. i think the T97 for example was rated for 33000 rounds ( last .556 i owned)
to me sad part is a Henry .22 would probably far outlast a gsg-16 and it's the same price. so i wouldn't just say its a throw-away gun because its not a 3000$ tavor. maybe im just cheep (i am)
I checked my bolt and noticed some signs of wear but no crack yet. After doing some reading fromm a page that my friend sent me, I noticed that the bolts holding the cover down were loose. I think I caught it in time. This seems to be a common issue.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/GSG-Troubleshooting-Do-s-and-Don-ts-Issues-Ammo/41-253513/
https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/GSG-Troubleshooting-Do-s-and-Don-ts-Issues-Ammo/41-253513/
I'm building a HK UMP / 10/22 right now. I would have used a GSG 16 but the plastic receiver is way too big to squeeze in to the HK polymer housing
Oh boy would I love a 22lr UMP kit
