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Tribunal tells federal government to restart military pistol purchase; favouritism alleged

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen

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Nov 23, 2021 • 1 day ago • 3 minute read

A 2012 file photo shows a Canadian firing a Browning Hi Power pistol in the Canadian Armed Forces Small Arms Concentration at Connaught Ranges in Ottawa PHOTO BY CANADIAN FORCES /Postmedia WireArticle content

The federal government has been told to restart its efforts to buy a new pistol for the Canadian military after its latest venture was deemed to favour certain bidders.


Canada has been trying to buy a new handgun for the army since at least 2011, but has continually run into problems.

Federal government officials originally went to companies in the summer to request bids for new pistols to replace the army’s Browning Hi-Power handguns. The plan was to award a contract for a new gun by December and to start delivering weapons to troops in the summer of 2022.

But that process came to a halt after Ottawa’s Rampart International, the firm that represents handgun manufacturer Glock in the Canadian market, filed a complaint with the Canadian International Trade Tribunal. Rampart alleged the government-run competition favoured Glock’s rivals, Beretta and Sig Sauer.

On Nov. 10, the CITT determined the complaint was valid in part. While it has yet to release its full ruling, the CITT recommended Public Services and Procurement Canada cancel the competition and begin a new one, changing some wording in its requirements.


PSPC spokeswoman Stéfanie Hamel said both the department and National Defence were waiting for the CITT to release its reasons for the decision. “Once PSPC and DND have received the statement of reasons, they will be able to determine next steps,” she added.

The Canadian military has outlined what it needs in a new gun, but Rampart argues that some of those requirements aren’t necessary. Its complaint alleged the Canadian Forces solicitation required “certain design types which serve no legitimate operational requirement and favour certain bidders.”

The pistol program is considered a priority by the Canadian Army as the number of working Browning Hi-Power handguns has significantly dwindled because of a lack of spare parts.


The new firearms will be modular, meaning they can be reconfigured for various roles. Other requirements include various safety features.

The acquisition project had stalled for years after small arms firms rejected in 2011 the federal government requirement that the new guns be built at Colt Canada in Kitchener, Ont. In addition, the companies balked at a stipulation that they had to turn over proprietary firearms information to Colt, a firm some saw as a competitor.

But those requirements were eventually set aside and the military focused on developing new criteria with the operational needs of soldiers as the top priority.

The plan was to buy a minimum of 8,000 pistols with options for up to 16,500 for the Canadian Army, Royal Canadian Air Force and Royal Canadian Navy. The potential value of a contract could be up to $18 million, if all options are exercised, according to the DND.



In one of its documents to the CITT, Rampart noted Glock pistols had been purchased by defence forces in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, France, the Netherlands and Australia, among other nations. Glock pistols are also widely used by police forces in North America.

But Glock lost out to Sig Sauer in January 2017 for a top U.S. military pistol contract. Sig Sauer is now providing the U.S. with 420,000 handguns based on its Sig P320 pistol.

In its complaint, Rampart cited a CBC report in February about a Canadian special forces member, using a Sig 320, who received a flesh wound during an accident at a shooting range. But the Canadian military has since confirmed there was nothing wrong with the Sig P320 pistol. The accident appears to have been the result of an accidental discharge caused by the special forces member, defence sources said.

 
I am sure it will run something like the armored vehicle procurement. They gave the army some Humvees and LAVs to test out. The Humvees were far preferred by the testers but the politicians ignored the test results and instead ordered the LAVs
 
Ugh yay more years with high powers. At this point any modern pistol with a slight bit of durability and reliability would do. Just get us some new pistols.
 
And then in 2 years the new procurement contract will be deemed too expensive for value so we will then replace that with an internal modernization contract of existing Hi Powers to "maximize platform capabilities and take advantage of existing inventory" that will end up spending a few hundred million dollars and a decade to put in new barrels and drill on an accessory rail while also trying to make it polymer for some reason because "innovative"
 
Military procurement is a most convoluted affair. It rarely has anything to do with real military needs and is mostly done by pencil pushers. I get a kick out of the idea that the old HPs are getting worn out and lack of spares. The HP was in production for decades in many quarters and yet we couldn't get parts?
 
Purchasing a replacement handgun for the military should be relatively easy and fast procurement but like anything that involves government....The liberals have no love for the military which is a big part of the problem.
 
ah the liberals will love this

just kick the can down the road a few more years

Procurement is a huge pain, I deal with these people every day.

The decision on what the Military really needs is being done by someone that likely has never fired a pistol. Glock complains that the competition was unfair because the pistol must have a manual safety, but other militaries use Glock pistols without a manual safety therefore the Canadian Military must be wrong. Tribunal agrees with Glock, back to step one in the procurement process.
 
Ugh yay more years with high powers. At this point any modern pistol with a slight bit of durability and reliability would do. Just get us some new pistols.

I agree.. pick any number of different manufacturers modern offerings (they are all mostly ergonomic and reliable, forget the modularity requirement).. do some testing.. find whichever testers like the best.. purchase 8000.. done! Government delays, corruption, and incompetence is absolutely inexcusable at this point.
 
CZ bought Colt Canada, why arent they doing the obvious and producing the best cz striker fired pistol under license at cc?

Because CZ didn't own Colt when they put the contract out. Didn't happen until two months after the fact.

Now they have to have proper trials. CZ is welcome to come on out and give it a go. Unfortunately the CAF tipped their hand and showed everyone they want Sig 320's which is exactly what the pistol contract described in great detail. Hence the challenge.

The decision on what the Military really needs is being done by someone that likely has never fired a pistol.

As evidenced by the neanderthal specifically asking for .40 caliber conversion kits for reason unknown to everyone in the CAF. Whoever is handling this contract needs to spend less time in the ####ter looking at Soldier of Fortune issues from 1997



Also do we need two threads for this topic? We already had one going.
 
Unfortunately the CAF tipped their hand and showed everyone they want Sig 320's which is exactly what the pistol contract described in great detail. Hence the challenge.

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As evidenced by the neanderthal specifically asking for .40 caliber conversion kits for reason unknown to everyone in the CAF. Whoever is handling this contract needs to spend less time in the ####ter looking at Soldier of Fortune issues from 1997

It's not neanderthal thinking. It's another sneaky move on the part of whomever wrote the RFP. The .40 cal conversion kit requirement is one more specification which removes most competitors to the advantage of the P320.
 


But those requirements were eventually set aside and the military focused on developing new criteria with the operational needs of soldiers as the top priority.


Isn't that a novel idea! Yet the process has to start again because a company is butthurt and dictating that the specs provided weren't operationally required. I'd love to know how Glock is more aware of operational requirements then the end user. Stand by for another delay once GBA+ has to be included in the procurement.
 
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