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Ontario Mandatory Reporting Penalty Decision
- Thread starter Chas
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Lovely. Enjoy hiking it. Or poaching it. Whichever tagless activity tickles your fancy…
canadian hunter312
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Brant County
Hunting reporting as been here for years. First it was the voluntary paper ones, then it was online to make it easier, then they said for 2 years it was mandatory and hunters might face penalty. Now they've come out with a $25 penalty, or half the cost of a deer license, because after much encouragement too many selfish and ignorant hunters couldn't take 2 minutes per season to report what they saw/shot.
It's not like suddenly they've announced reporting out of the blue. This is the result of many years of hunters being lazy and not doing their part. Heaven forbid the ministry asks hunters, the people who know the land the best, to let them know whats going on in the bush because they lack the staff and funding to do a better job themselves.
The people who're crying about this the most are the exact people who've ignored reporting and forced the ministry to make it mandatory in the first place.
It's not like suddenly they've announced reporting out of the blue. This is the result of many years of hunters being lazy and not doing their part. Heaven forbid the ministry asks hunters, the people who know the land the best, to let them know whats going on in the bush because they lack the staff and funding to do a better job themselves.
The people who're crying about this the most are the exact people who've ignored reporting and forced the ministry to make it mandatory in the first place.
Even if I had of bought a tag this year, I wouldn't have taken anything. The gypsy moths are tearing through this area badly, and I'm spending my winter scraping egg clusters off of oak trees to try and salvage the nut drop next year. That and you can't swing a dead politician around here without hitting a coyote. Heck, between carrying our scheduled feeding program throughout the winter, tackling invasives (gypsy moths, buckthorn ect) and tick sweeping the trails, I do more darn forest work than any of these pension-seeking chumps.
I stopped filling this out, when the government decided to be too terrible for too long, effectively tearing up the social contract. Between the McWyntty regime then and the Trudeau regime now, I'm going to drag my heels and disagree on every single issue these bureaucrats dream up.
Stand your ground, you nancies. Stop giving all our damn rights away, one inch at a time. It must be a generational thing or something. As you age, you just become more willing to give up................... (that's not provcative at all, eh?)
This is why we've lost so many guns over the years in this country. Guys just meekly smiling and shrugging their shoulders in an effort to get along. "Oh well, it's fine" "What's the big deal" "It's only 2 minutes/2 weeks/ select variants..."
I would be willing to bet that 100% of the guys who like the idea of making this survey mandatory and subject to punishment, also voted for Andrew Scheer.
I would be willing to bet that 100% of the guys who like the idea of making this survey mandatory and subject to punishment, also voted for Andrew Scheer.
blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- A blue part of Ontario
If you can't seperate game management and gun control you don't belong in the woods or even on a hunting forum.
“Fight for the sake of the fight, no matter the cause.” Some quality life advice right there…
If you were a little more willing to work with those “pension-seeking chumps”, then you’d know the MNRF offered major subsidies to landowners this summer, to hire Zimmer, General, etc. to aerial spray for Gypsy Moths. Instead, you’re out scraping egg sacks by hand. (Like a “chump”)
Resistance for resistance’s sake is foolish.
Da gub can keep their subsidies and their mandates. I don't need my hand held or my bottom spanked.
It's a matter of heavenly compulsion. I don't make the rules, I just follow them
So if it's not a firearm used to harvest game, you're OK with prohibiting it? Yikes!
Ok, so here are my questions:
What reasons are there that would convince people to not want to help the MNR manage the resources ?
What is the down side to providing information about animal sightings, days afield, etc?
madtrapper143
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Steep Rock Lake NWO
My take on this topic is this. I have always co-operated with MNR on surveys, end of season trap line reports etc. That is not the issue the issue is being asked to assist in gathering info to enhance fish/game management (who would not want to assist/help?) Then being told if you don't assist/help you will be fined and/or prevented from buying a game seal in the following year. As stated elsewhere how accurate is the gathered information when it is gathered under duress? Of course making a false statement is also an offence. For years I faithfully completed and mailed in my optional cardboard surveys I was mailed under no threat of punishment. Why is it now we have the threat? If this is how the MNR is attempting to build cooperative relationships with sport hunters I feel it is wrong headed. Needles to say not submitting a report is like shooting yourself in the foot. I will continue to submit my reports but under protest.
Darryl
Darryl
Hi Bigbubba,
See Madtrapper143/Darryl response.
We are on the same page.
Hi GreenBob
I get that part of it. I always mailed in the paper survey as well. Most guys I know also did, but obviously some do not.
I didn't and don't take the new regulation as a "Threat of punishment".
Yes I could be fined $25 or not be able to buy a license if I do not send in my survey.
So I send in my survey. I take it as "its part of doing business if I want to hunt"
I apply that same logic to a lot of other facets of my life; examples...
I can get fined if I speed, so I do not; conversely I can get fined if I do not buy vehicle insurance, so I do.
There's lots of people who speed and do not have insurance and they sometimes get fined.
That's the path they chose to take, I chose the other path. I do not see this a "shrugging my shoulders and giving in".
Others are welcome to see it their way, not comply, and I am ok with that. Just don't be critical of me choosing to comply.
There's lots more similar examples. So I don't take it as a personal threat, I take it as "this is part of going hunting" (or driving)
I get that part of it. I always mailed in the paper survey as well. Most guys I know also did, but obviously some do not.
I didn't and don't take the new regulation as a "Threat of punishment".
Yes I could be fined $25 or not be able to buy a license if I do not send in my survey.
So I send in my survey. I take it as "its part of doing business if I want to hunt"
I apply that same logic to a lot of other facets of my life; examples...
I can get fined if I speed, so I do not; conversely I can get fined if I do not buy vehicle insurance, so I do.
There's lots of people who speed and do not have insurance and they sometimes get fined.
That's the path they chose to take, I chose the other path. I do not see this a "shrugging my shoulders and giving in".
Others are welcome to see it their way, not comply, and I am ok with that. Just don't be critical of me choosing to comply.
There's lots more similar examples. So I don't take it as a personal threat, I take it as "this is part of going hunting" (or driving)
I get what you are saying and no one is being critical of you. Not that it make any difference, but I also have mailed in the paper survey over the years and done the online one as well.
The underlining issue is not doing the work or reporting. The underlining issue is how they are attempting to do it.
Stop mandating that people to do X and start convincing and explaining why people should be doing X. A drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gal.
I’ve been doing more and more reading about hunting in the Western US, and the terrible inconvenience of check-stations is what has me convinced to keep doing my survey. The agencies need the data, and if they’re not getting enough of it voluntarily, then imposing a small fine for not doing so isn’t unexpected in my mind. And if that doesn’t work, expect check-stations in the future.
I agree with you that more needs to be done to educate folks on “why” it’s important, but we’ve all seen enough facepalm-worthy threads started here that make it clear that very few folks bother to read their summaries. And if the Ministry wants to educate beyond the reaches of the summary, then that means advertising, and advertising means money. That either means diverting money from existing needs, or raising fees and the cost of tags, and neither option is preferable - I certainly don’t want to have to pay more money to educate the people that can’t be bothered to fill out a quick 2 minute survey on their phone while they walk back to the truck on their last day. But with the current scheme, the only people paying into that pot (which can be used for the education you mention) are the ones who are making that advertising necessary.
As for the “why”, one of the posters above complained about how (among other reasons) it wasn’t worth hunting this year due to the number of coyotes in his area. Had he bothered to do the survey, he would have known that taking an inventory of wolves and coyotes are one of the main purposes of the survey, and having that data will help with efforts and spending to control coyote populations. But his data is lost to the wind and Internet forums.
Yes for sure.
Education is key.
As you say they could have approached it a different way = say for example, everyone who completes the survey gets $5 discount on their deer/moose tag.
Vs everyone who does not complete gets s fine.
I suggest you take a read through the following article. While an opinion it does highlight some of the issues Ontario in general is having regarding moose populations. Fact is I, and many other Ontarians believe MNR have been mismanaging for a while.
https://www.sudbury.com/columns/the...lling-and-i-have-pretty-good-idea-why-4505878
We border the province of Quebec, yet for every 2 moose hunters 1 moose can be harvested there.
https://www.quebec.ca/en/tourism-an...d-outdoor-activities/sport-hunting/game/moose
Fact is these reports don't do squat but punish hunters who don't fill them out. What's stopping anyone from lying and saying they'd seen 35 moose in their week long hunt?
The MNR should do their jobs and manage our resources properly rather than scream and cry they don't have enough funding.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
They cannot see the most obvious here. Ford having another lockdown-meltdown Oh-my-god-icron.
Yet the ministry has worst timing in the world choosing to impose a fine for this infraction, while everybody but government employees(!!!) out of work.
Everyone already feels like a powerless serf, the ban deadline fast approaching, Roger sadly dead in Grey County.
This is just as popular as another Bantario idea: baseboard heating for everyone and the hydro rates immediately skyrocket. But if u don't do our little paper survey, u will pay the fine and be happy to do it.
Revenue theft via Possum Lodge decree.
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