Norc 14" barrel to Rem 870
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holy christ why didnt i notice that image earlier???
not only is it not indexed properly but that solder job looks pretty awful
...another post Hi-Jacked....
This was a technical question about barrel interchangability - NOT registration...
so i guess you're the self-nominated thread police?
it was relevant to the topic and a reminder to people not to just swap a 14" barrel onto their 870 and go running around in the forest with it.
you really should try and cut down on that
btw -- or you're apt to go blind I'll hijack the post further . Canam is right, the registration can be amended. I called the CFC just yesterday about putting a 14" barrel on registered 870 with a longer barrel. I asked if anything must be done and was told that the registration can be added to to include both barrels. This would keep you out of any problems if you're checked and you have the 14" barrel on and the certificate states only the longer one.
. Canam is right, the registration can be amended. I called the CFC just yesterday about putting a 14" barrel on registered 870 with a longer barrel. I asked if anything must be done and was told that the registration can be added to to include both barrels. This would keep you out of any problems if you're checked and you have the 14" barrel on and the certificate states only the longer one.
Been there, done that and posted pics here about 3 or so years ago.
Got a link?
What exactly did you do Pete?
Everything I've read from yourself and others here seems to suggest that there is nothing to be done to a 14 " Norinco barrel on a Remington receiver except tighten the mag cap, load and fire.
I was actually surprised that no one else had the indexing problem as both of the barrels I tried looked good on the HP-9 but were as the picture above on the Remingtons.
I borrowed Jamie's 'rinco to make the tests.
I built 2 mix and match shotties from my 870 and Jamie's 'rinco. Everything fit and functioned as they were completely interchangeable, and they shot fine.
I posted various pictures here. You could do a search, but I believe they were lost at some point, and they MAY be on one of my other computers.
In exchange for the loan, I slicked up the Norinco for Jamie.
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Gentlemen:
If I may add my own experiences here. Indexing issues are not limited to Norico’s, and it has become my policy to try a specific barrel on a particular receiver for fit and index before purchase. Allow me to explain.
I am an aspiring trap shooter, and for 16 yard singles I prefer to use an 870 Wingmaster built with hand picked parts. Back in 1995 before they were commonly available locally, I wanted a standard contour, vent rib 30" barrel with Rem-chokes, mid bead, and Bradley type front bead. I had a good friend import exactly such a barrel as well as a release trigger from the states for me.
At the time I was using a late 1970's early 80's (per-flexi tab) receiver that while solid and functional was not very pretty. When I mated the barrel to the action, the barrel indexed well. And I continued to shoot.
Along the way I sold that original receiver, and found an all steel 1960's receiver with nice bluing and great machining that I just had to have. When I attached my imported barrel (mid 1990's production) to that receiver, the barrel was out of index very badly. I tried to use it for trap but my scores suffer.
In the end I had to find and purchase an early 1970's production 30" Vent rib fix choked barrel to index properly with the 1960's receiver, and purchase a pristine late 70's/ early 80's reciver to go with my very expensive imported barrel.
The moral of the story, try before you buy, and realize that as things and time progress, manufacturing tolerances will invariably change.
Just my 2 cents, and your milage may vary
Regards and all the best
AbH
If I may add my own experiences here. Indexing issues are not limited to Norico’s, and it has become my policy to try a specific barrel on a particular receiver for fit and index before purchase. Allow me to explain.
I am an aspiring trap shooter, and for 16 yard singles I prefer to use an 870 Wingmaster built with hand picked parts. Back in 1995 before they were commonly available locally, I wanted a standard contour, vent rib 30" barrel with Rem-chokes, mid bead, and Bradley type front bead. I had a good friend import exactly such a barrel as well as a release trigger from the states for me.
At the time I was using a late 1970's early 80's (per-flexi tab) receiver that while solid and functional was not very pretty. When I mated the barrel to the action, the barrel indexed well. And I continued to shoot.
Along the way I sold that original receiver, and found an all steel 1960's receiver with nice bluing and great machining that I just had to have. When I attached my imported barrel (mid 1990's production) to that receiver, the barrel was out of index very badly. I tried to use it for trap but my scores suffer.
In the end I had to find and purchase an early 1970's production 30" Vent rib fix choked barrel to index properly with the 1960's receiver, and purchase a pristine late 70's/ early 80's reciver to go with my very expensive imported barrel.
The moral of the story, try before you buy, and realize that as things and time progress, manufacturing tolerances will invariably change.
Just my 2 cents, and your milage may vary
Regards and all the best
AbH
I must agree with AbH.
Parts from the 50's don't fit too welll with modern parts. Hell, modern parts don't fit well made from the same batch sometimes.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a drop in part in the firearms industry.
Sure, loose tolerance parts will fit interchangeably, doesn't mean they fit properly to each other. I think loose parts will cause premature wear and self destruct faster than a correctly fitted set of firearm parts.
I guess you have to consider wheater you want more reliabily or more accuracy out of your build yet not losing perspective of safety.
I don't see that parts made in China are made to the same tolerances American products are. Basterdizing the two into one gun is not easy without alot of work to fit it right.
I'm not advocating you should all stop swapping parts from Norcs to Rems, just want to make you aware not to expect much more than the opportunity to educate yourself and practice gunsmithing with low cost parts if things don't go just right with your build.
Not sure of the cost one bases himself on when taking uncertain chances with things that go boom. Build safely.
Happy, happy.
Parts from the 50's don't fit too welll with modern parts. Hell, modern parts don't fit well made from the same batch sometimes.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a drop in part in the firearms industry.
Sure, loose tolerance parts will fit interchangeably, doesn't mean they fit properly to each other. I think loose parts will cause premature wear and self destruct faster than a correctly fitted set of firearm parts.
I guess you have to consider wheater you want more reliabily or more accuracy out of your build yet not losing perspective of safety.
I don't see that parts made in China are made to the same tolerances American products are. Basterdizing the two into one gun is not easy without alot of work to fit it right.
I'm not advocating you should all stop swapping parts from Norcs to Rems, just want to make you aware not to expect much more than the opportunity to educate yourself and practice gunsmithing with low cost parts if things don't go just right with your build.
Not sure of the cost one bases himself on when taking uncertain chances with things that go boom. Build safely.
Happy, happy.
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Gentlemen:
I must agree with Easy’s comment about fit and longevity. In my experience good fit=long life all other things being equal.
However if I to may add, my comments above were not trying to dissuaded you from tying things, just to be aware. Further, consider yourself fortunate if you have enough material to allow honing and a snug fit. Particularly in the case of Norinco 14" barrels, I belive here you will find any effort expended fitting well worth your while once you spend some time on the patterning board.
I spent a good deal of time discussing Norico 14" barrels with our own Brobee of 870 CQB fame. It was his opinion that, that the Norinco Barrels were some of the best 14" barrels on the Market at the time. His extensive testing bore out these results, and he attributed his success with these barrels to the fact that they did indeed has some choke,(somewhere between cyl and imp cyl), and that they have nice forcing cones right out of the box, which contributed to pattern density.
I myself have both a Norinco 14" barrel and HP9-1 receiver on the way (both purchase separately from different batches), and look forward to have a very close look on how these guns are put together, the quality of metal, the metal fit/finish, how they will fit together being from different batches, how they fit on Remington 870 Wingmaster & Police Magnum receivers, and how the barrel patterns.
Just my thoughts
Regards and all the best
AbH
I must agree with Easy’s comment about fit and longevity. In my experience good fit=long life all other things being equal.
However if I to may add, my comments above were not trying to dissuaded you from tying things, just to be aware. Further, consider yourself fortunate if you have enough material to allow honing and a snug fit. Particularly in the case of Norinco 14" barrels, I belive here you will find any effort expended fitting well worth your while once you spend some time on the patterning board.
I spent a good deal of time discussing Norico 14" barrels with our own Brobee of 870 CQB fame. It was his opinion that, that the Norinco Barrels were some of the best 14" barrels on the Market at the time. His extensive testing bore out these results, and he attributed his success with these barrels to the fact that they did indeed has some choke,(somewhere between cyl and imp cyl), and that they have nice forcing cones right out of the box, which contributed to pattern density.
I myself have both a Norinco 14" barrel and HP9-1 receiver on the way (both purchase separately from different batches), and look forward to have a very close look on how these guns are put together, the quality of metal, the metal fit/finish, how they will fit together being from different batches, how they fit on Remington 870 Wingmaster & Police Magnum receivers, and how the barrel patterns.
Just my thoughts
Regards and all the best
AbH
