While I understand your sentiment, my feeling is arguing that view displays a dangerously ignorant understanding of privacy rights and history generally. Western governments, even ones we admire, have a long history of surveillance of what THEY see as potentially subversive. You seem to be implying that a reasonable population naturally begets a reasonable and responsible govt. That is only true where that population demands accountability from govt, which is exactly what you are arguing against by saying we needn’t be concerned . Ask any number of protest groups, past and present, in North America about surveillance, or the population in Hong Kong for that matter. It’s all great, until it isn’t.
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While I understand your sentiment, my feeling is arguing that view displays a dangerously ignorant understanding of privacy rights and history generally. Western governments, even ones we admire, have a long history of surveillance of what THEY see as potentially subversive. You seem to be implying that a reasonable population naturally begets a reasonable and responsible govt. That is only true where that population demands accountability from govt, which is exactly what you are arguing against by saying we needn’t be concerned . Ask any number of protest groups, past and present, in North America about surveillance, or the population in Hong Kong for that matter. It’s all great, until it isn’t.
Ok, just for fun then, are you worried if it is done, regardless who or how open? Have you a line to draw anywhere or is it all good? Most corporations following you around are more interested in manipulating you to buy their sh!t whereas governments have entirely different motives. And that should concern you.
And please don't flatter yourself, you ain't the pup breaking anything to me and I go back a lot further than 15 years looking at things.
Yes, that evil motive of attempting to correlate movement patterns with health data.....watch out. Yes, some governments around the world have alternate motives for this sort of info. Of course those ones aren’t publicly advertising what they’re doing. Given the current realities of the country in which we live, no, I don’t take issue with our government doing this.
Do I think there’s a line? Of course. But this isn’t it.
The line between acceptable behaviour and unacceptable behaviour is constantly shifting. We are already noticing people being canceled, fired, or assaulted just for being on the right of the political spectrum. The "I'm a good little boy so I have nothing to worry about people spying on me" argument may bite you in the ass some day when you think something as innocent as texting with your buddy about firearms prompts an investigation.
Work/Business, Dr. , Dentist, Firearms, Mechanic, Gov, Income Tax, rainchecks, Credit Cards, Banks, Hydro, Heat, Cable, etc etc. any place, give them your #, let them have it. Like a Land Line would be perfect for this.
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But these guys (doing it for purely innocent health reasons) didn't publicly advertise. They were caught out after the fact. That suggests they (a) knew it was wrong so didn't advertise or (b) it never crossed their minds it was wrong. Either way it would be nice if they asked first. Well, unless we're at the point where your privacy isn't yours anymore.
“But these guys (doing it for purely innocent health reasons) didn't publicly advertise. They were caught out after the fact.”
^^^^ This ^^^^^
The complete lack of transparency is what should concern all those Canadians who still value their freedoms and rights, including not being surveilled. This should be front page news and the opposition demanding resignations of all those who supported this covert surveillance program. If the public accepts a constant erosion of their freedoms then we’ll only have ourselves to blame should we look like a future Soviet Russia or East Germany.
^^^^ This ^^^^^
The complete lack of transparency is what should concern all those Canadians who still value their freedoms and rights, including not being surveilled. This should be front page news and the opposition demanding resignations of all those who supported this covert surveillance program. If the public accepts a constant erosion of their freedoms then we’ll only have ourselves to blame should we look like a future Soviet Russia or East Germany.
Leonardo Da Vinci said "It is easier to resist at the begining than the end".
Imagine where this will be in 10 years.
Some European nations took action and put limits on tracking some years ago. Looks like we need to do the same.
Imagine where this will be in 10 years.
Some European nations took action and put limits on tracking some years ago. Looks like we need to do the same.
I just filed a complaint with the federal and Alberta office of the privacy commissioner over this. That should at least get them looking into it.
The key in the RFP falls under this clause:
The work plan must demonstrate ALL of the following:
* Protects privacy: description of how de-identified data are provided to ensure the anonymized nature of the data, removal of all personal identifiers, and grants users the ability to easily opt-out of mobility data sharing program.
We're all going to have to make sure we click that box if this program moves forward.
That's against PIPEDA. Unless the insurance company has a court order for it and they're investigating for fraud or something.
The key in the RFP falls under this clause:
The work plan must demonstrate ALL of the following:
* Protects privacy: description of how de-identified data are provided to ensure the anonymized nature of the data, removal of all personal identifiers, and grants users the ability to easily opt-out of mobility data sharing program.
We're all going to have to make sure we click that box if this program moves forward.
That's against PIPEDA. Unless the insurance company has a court order for it and they're investigating for fraud or something.
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Excellent. The location data shared would have to very severely restricted in order to not make it “personal information” when combined with other information. Even locating clusters of people in a neighborhood would be problematic from a chance of being identified point of view.
That may be the case; however, the slippery slope argument weakens our case. Although not all Canadians agree with gun owners, it benefits us if we can get support against broad government data collection.
This program is worth fighting from the sheer perspective of government overreach, and if stopped, it stops the risk you suggest as well.
I emailed the Alberta Information and Privacy Commissioner to request a review today; we should all email our local privacy commissioners requesting, at minimum, a Privacy Impact Assessment be completed and made public.
This program is worth fighting from the sheer perspective of government overreach, and if stopped, it stops the risk you suggest as well.
I emailed the Alberta Information and Privacy Commissioner to request a review today; we should all email our local privacy commissioners requesting, at minimum, a Privacy Impact Assessment be completed and made public.
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I've been sayin' the same thing about car, just watch them, if they have the possibility they'll use it,in the name of security and for the greater good of course...
We haven't learned anything from the warnings of the last century's thinkers... 1984 all over the place.
Doesn't help when they keep calling mass shootings a 'public health emergency'.
Oh, I didn't realize they have moved on from solving the "opioids overdose public health emergency".
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