Grizzly Bear Defence rifle

I have little experience with bears but I'd like to learn more. I've got the course materials for a bear aware course, just have to take it. Most of the hiking I do is in Jasper so usually the only thing I can take is bear spray anyway.

I've seen those bear banger rounds and rubber ball wildlife control rounds in 12ga. Any input on those? Would it be worth having a banger loaded first in line before lethal rounds?
 
GA is right about them going off on the wrong side of the bear , better to shoot them high and behind the bear. Never never shoot them at the bear they can kill. As for rubber buck shot I load my own ( way cheaper ) never shoot them at the front end of the bear too much chance of taking out an eye. And as for loading bangers before slugs I do not recommend that although they are made better now than they used to be there is still a chance of a wad being left in the barrel. Or thinking you have a slug in the chamber and you don't or vice a versa. The best way to ruin a barrel is to shoot bangers they are very corrosive. There are banger pistols also ( Margo Supplies ) which is what we carry. We don't carry spray and do not allow spray to be carried by any of our clients one bad wind and your on the ground all spiced up and ready to eat. I know I can be very opinionated on this subject I am only passing on the experience that I have.
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Roog said:
I have little experience with bears but I'd like to learn more. I've got the course materials for a bear aware course, just have to take it. Most of the hiking I do is in Jasper so usually the only thing I can take is bear spray anyway.

I've seen those bear banger rounds and rubber ball wildlife control rounds in 12ga. Any input on those? Would it be worth having a banger loaded first in line before lethal rounds?
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There are a couple of bear biologists that have written books on bear behaviour and bear attacks. Steven Herrero is one of them. His book is definitely worth reading, and super interesting.

Chris.
 
gunlaker said:
... Steven Herrero is one of them. His book is definitely worth reading, and super interesting.
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+1

His is the only relevant scientific research that I know of. It doesn't answer every question, but it does give us useful information.

Literally every other source I've seen has been deeply flawed, to the point of being useless to individuals. Topic for another thread I guess...
 
herrero is promoting bear seasoning has nobody can use a gun ... he may be good to read to get a clue about bear behavior but nothing will change seeing them in real.

there is a reason why we call them bear seasoning here and i do agree it is an accident to happen to have them.

the same as a classroom to see what a bear can do ... get out and study them.
 
I agree, Steven Herrero's book is a good read (or listen if you have audible). Doesn't teach you everything you need to know, bit it does have important information and is well written. As Medvedqc suggests, nothing teaches like experience.
 
You should go get some instead of posting troll threads on cgn


i do agree it is an accident to happen to have them.
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Bear spray, idiots and caulk boots is a bad combo. I knew a guy who stepped on multiple cans


Bear spray has worked for me but there are a lot of disclaimers to it working correctly. Same with guns. Most people wouldnt know 5 metres from 20 metres in my experience, especially in the bush.

Some have suggested that a big benefit of spray is it gives you the confidence to stand your ground.*

The best thing you can do with it is wrap a piece of flagging tape tight around the safety cover. It will come off with a sharp pull backwards but not get pulled off while bushwhacking

I don’t go into the bush with the subconscious desire to kill every bear I see though.


* calm down Suther
 
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While I’m on the hook and being reeled in:

I know all CGN users are grizzled bushmen built like rocks in the prime of their lives in addition to being able to snap shoot dime sized groups while under extreme duress but have you guys seen the average real tree wearing lardass shoot a gun before?

I know a lot of guys who “sight in” their rifle by lobbing a 5 inch group at a pizza box off the back of their lifted one ton, you think their accuracy would improve while an unseen grizzly is smashing a path through balsam regen or alder to see what smells like day old bacon grease?
 
conor_90 said:
... you think their accuracy would improve while an unseen grizzly is smashing a path through balsam regen or alder to see what smells like day old bacon grease?
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conor_90,

This one is unbeatable. Really unbeatable. You win. Hands down. You made my day. I am not about to forget that joke ... may I use it to make my friends burst out laughing ?
 
I have a Lyman 525 mould. The slugs come out around 505 grains and according to what I’ve read, they would be coming out of the muzzle at 1550 to 1600 fps with a big dose of Longshot. It’s quite accurate out of the rifled barrel I shoot them out of out to 75 yards with irons. I have never shot game with them but they kick harder then anything else I’ve shot by far.

I got the mould to replace expensive slugs for deer but after shooting it I figured I’d wreck too much meat. I don’t plan on being in a situation where I’d need this in bear county but after shooting it the first thing I thought that this would put a hurt on anything. How would something like this be on a big bear?
 
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conor_90 said:
You should go get some instead of posting troll threads on cgn




Bear spray, idiots and caulk boots is a bad combo. I knew a guy who stepped on multiple cans


Bear spray has worked for me but there are a lot of disclaimers to it working correctly. Same with guns. Most people wouldnt know 5 metres from 20 metres in my experience, especially in the bush.

Some have suggested that a big benefit of spray is it gives you the confidence to stand your ground.*

The best thing you can do with it is wrap a piece of flagging tape tight around the safety cover. It will come off with a sharp pull backwards but not get pulled off while bushwhacking

I don’t go into the bush with the subconscious desire to kill every bear I see though.


* calm down Suther
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I agree again!
 
Snowy Owl said:
conor_90,

This one is unbeatable. Really unbeatable. You win. Hands down. You made my day. I am not about to forget that joke ... may I use it to make my friends burst out laughing ?
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All posts by the account known as conor_90 are public domain, my lawyers have also suggested that I inform the public they are satirical in nature but #### those dorks
 
conor_90 said:
You should go get some instead of posting troll threads on cgn




Bear spray, idiots and caulk boots is a bad combo. I knew a guy who stepped on multiple cans


Bear spray has worked for me but there are a lot of disclaimers to it working correctly. Same with guns. Most people wouldnt know 5 metres from 20 metres in my experience, especially in the bush.

Some have suggested that a big benefit of spray is it gives you the confidence to stand your ground.*

The best thing you can do with it is wrap a piece of flagging tape tight around the safety cover. It will come off with a sharp pull backwards but not get pulled off while bushwhacking

I don’t go into the bush with the subconscious desire to kill every bear I see though.


* calm down Suther
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conor_90 said:
While I’m on the hook and being reeled in:

I know all CGN users are grizzled bushmen built like rocks in the prime of their lives in addition to being able to snap shoot dime sized groups while under extreme duress but have you guys seen the average real tree wearing lardass shoot a gun before?

I know a lot of guys who “sight in” their rifle by lobbing a 5 inch group at a pizza box off the back of their lifted one ton, you think their accuracy would improve while an unseen grizzly is smashing a path through balsam regen or alder to see what smells like day old bacon grease?
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sure i will troll somewhere else ...
 
Did you make this thread? I wasn’t referring to you at all…

Except for the part where I agreed that for lots of people bear spray can be a liability, just like guns
 
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nulll said:
I agree, Steven Herrero's book is a good read (or listen if you have audible). Doesn't teach you everything you need to know, bit it does have important information and is well written. As Medvedqc suggests, nothing teaches like experience.
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You're right, but it's also possible for a person's experience to lie to them. How many reported "successful uses of bear spray" might look something like:

1. Hiker spots an uninterested bear at 30 yards
2. Spray deployed in the bear's general direction
3. Bear doesn't notice or care, continues on his business
4. Hiker breathlessly reports "successful use of bear spray" to anyone who will listen

It's really common for many people to arrive at incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions. Valid research can help people sharpen up their assumptions. Especially for people with limited experience, their individual experience can reinforce false assumptions (confirmation bias, etc.).

(I don't mean to pick on hikers - The above example is certainly not the only type of misleading scenario that affects bear defense discussions!)
 
Not all bear sprays are equal, the active ingredient capsaicin, can be any concentration from below 1% to 2%, Health Canada recalled the following brands last June for failure to spray. Google bear spray recall for details.

FRONTIERSMAN BEAR ATTACK DETERRENT with yellow nozzle in 225 gram and 325 gram containers;

FRONTIERSMAN XTRA BEAR ATTACK DETERRENT with yellow nozzle in 225 gram and 325 gram containers;

SABRE WILD MAX BEAR ATTACK DETERRENT with yellow nozzle in 225 gram and 325 gram containers; and

SABRE WILD BEAR ATTACK DETERRENT with yellow nozzle in 225 gram and 325 gram containers.
 
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