Visited a local proprietor today , asked if he had such and such, said he only had kegs, no individual pounds. I said great, let see. Wouldn't show me the front and was looking right at me while scratching the price tag off, quoting $60 per pound straight through prices. Didn't care for that much. Tells me he'll get his price, running through the stuff like crazy. No doubt he will. Had he offered a bit of a break on a keg, or been less greasy about it, he would have had a sale. More the behaviour than the price gets my goat.
Price gouging
- Thread starter lwing
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I have hardly been to a LGS in 5 years. I am mostly an internet shopper. Mostly the site sponsors. Don't think anyone has gouged me though.
Have prices gone up? Yes they have. But I have found most retailers to be honest about it. Some even still have sales and free shipping.
The EE is a brand new game there. Lots of guys getting greedy. Again, supply and demand and what the market will bear will determine the price.
And the price is always FAIR, because if it wasn't the buyer would walk away. So obviously they are ok with the price.
Auctions are a different kettle of fish. Bid to your hearts content.
I was bidding on some stuff on a recent auction that ended last Sunday. People were paying $120+ for Varget (not including the +15% buyers fee, plus 13% sales tax, plus shipping and handling.)
I think they are nuts. But they were not gouged. They bid of their own free will.
I quit bidding on the 6-7 items I wanted once it got out of control....
Have prices gone up? Yes they have. But I have found most retailers to be honest about it. Some even still have sales and free shipping.
The EE is a brand new game there. Lots of guys getting greedy. Again, supply and demand and what the market will bear will determine the price.
And the price is always FAIR, because if it wasn't the buyer would walk away. So obviously they are ok with the price.
Auctions are a different kettle of fish. Bid to your hearts content.
I was bidding on some stuff on a recent auction that ended last Sunday. People were paying $120+ for Varget (not including the +15% buyers fee, plus 13% sales tax, plus shipping and handling.)
I think they are nuts. But they were not gouged. They bid of their own free will.
I quit bidding on the 6-7 items I wanted once it got out of control....
$60/pound? Buy it all. Right now. Your “principles” are costing you $15-$40/pound. Try to buy a new F450. Go ahead, tell us how it goes. You want my 2019 for $125K? Would you buy gas for $1.25/litre now?
2 lbs h1000 current bid $315 with 6 days left. I would love to know what’s going through the high bidders head right now. No intelligent thought I’m sure. What on earth could drive someone to pay that?
More money than brains about sums it up.
If your dead set on that powder and cant find it some I am sure will pay what it takes to buy it
It’s expensive yes, but when powder is 120$ a pound(why would powder be the only thing not affected by inflation!?!) and you still cannot buy it then maybe picking up 2 pounds of very hard to find desirable powder for 300$ and a half box of primers for 80$ with 50$ shipping will seem cheap!! Remember when powder was 35$ a pound and primers were 27$/1000? I do it was about 15 years ago and I remember stocking up back then as people #####ed about 40$ powder and 50$ primers. Just like gas, beer , cigarettes, oranges and everything else…. The “good ol’ days” are long gone!
Burton Urnie
Regular
- Location
- Near Woodstock New Brunswick
Not picking on you, but a business owner needs to sell stock at current value regardless of what he paid.
I KNOW I'd not sell a lb of powder cheaper than replacement cost.
Imagine you'd have bought gold 20 years ago @ $400/ oz, will you sell it today for $500/ oz or do you want the going rate of $2400/ oz ?
Price gouging or not, I love shooting, but not to the point of paying that kind of money for components. I may end up being buried with my rifles if components never come down in price.
Question, does anyone honestly believe the prices will come back to normal? Honest answers.
I said I would shoot as long as it is affordable. When it gets beyond that, all bets are off.
Like has been mentioned some people have a lot of money and will pay whatever the price is to shoot. Wait until you retire and are on a pension. Not everyone who loves shooting makes or made 6 figures a year. These are very interesting times in the shooting world.
Question, does anyone honestly believe the prices will come back to normal? Honest answers.
I said I would shoot as long as it is affordable. When it gets beyond that, all bets are off.
Like has been mentioned some people have a lot of money and will pay whatever the price is to shoot. Wait until you retire and are on a pension. Not everyone who loves shooting makes or made 6 figures a year. These are very interesting times in the shooting world.
dgradinaru
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- British Columbia
I personally don't think the prices wont come down for a while. Inflation, Gas prices, shipping, and cost of natural resources will take a toll on the average consumer when it comes to shooting and reloading. Prices are getting up there where i myself think twice before committing to a purchase. Not worth the current pricing when powder goes for 74.99$ a pound or a box of basic cup and core is north of 60$. Best place to stock up these days is at the gun shows. Finding partial boxes, old stock primers, and powders at a fraction of the price they sell online or in store. Sad times were living in.
Further pressure to the supply and demand equation is the conversion from sporting ammo to military ammo. We experienced this with the gulf war. Components used in the 5.56 were impossible to get. And even if the components you use are not directly used for military application, production runs for hunting ammo may be cancelled for military runs. This further demand on brass, powder, copper ect will only result in yet higher prices. Unfortunately in the near future, we will be looking back at this date and wishing prices were at todays level. Supply levels at all stages from the manufactures all the way through to retail and user stockpiles are very low. At todays demand I cannot see supply catching up without new manufactures entering the market.
Oh, I'm not too worried about being picked on. Discourse happens. As I said, it was certainly more the guy's manner and people skills than the price. I've been paying $60/ lb for awhile now, albeit in single lbs. I get the idea of replacement price, and running a store. It takes long term customers in smaller town stores to succeed, of which I am one. Local competition storewise is sparse and worse lol.
As for continued shortages, I'd say the post above this one is coherent. Adding to this is the fact of consolidation in manufacturing. Vista and Olin each have a huge share of the North American market, and between them can effectively influence/ throttle supply, in pre rolled and components.
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Not picking on you, but a business owner needs to sell stock at current value regardless of what he paid.
I KNOW I'd not sell a lb of powder cheaper than replacement cost.
Imagine you'd have bought gold 20 years ago @ $400/ oz, will you sell it today for $500/ oz or do you want the going rate of $2400/ oz ?
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In saying that, I lucked out. I never bought gold but.....
My wedding day my God Father gave me an ounce of gold. I am pretty sure he bought it in 66 when I was born. Look at going price from then. Average for the year was 35.00 per. I sold it 3 weeks ago. Had not thought about it for years until looking thru memorabilia. Sold it for 2432.00. Wish I had about 100oz....
Pretty nice gift. Thanks Uncle and Aunt
I KNOW I'd not sell a lb of powder cheaper than replacement cost.
Imagine you'd have bought gold 20 years ago @ $400/ oz, will you sell it today for $500/ oz or do you want the going rate of $2400/ oz ?
Quick reply to this messageReply Reply With QuoteRep
In saying that, I lucked out. I never bought gold but.....
My wedding day my God Father gave me an ounce of gold. I am pretty sure he bought it in 66 when I was born. Look at going price from then. Average for the year was 35.00 per. I sold it 3 weeks ago. Had not thought about it for years until looking thru memorabilia. Sold it for 2432.00. Wish I had about 100oz....
Pretty nice gift. Thanks Uncle and Aunt
sharp shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Essex county (Ontario)
$14,000…..
Wow.
Wow.
Honest answer in one word- NOPE!
Cat
Many prices are around that level, that guy just has a lot to sell.
sharp shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Essex county (Ontario)
I bought varget for $50 per pound a month ago. It was not old stick either. We just have a delay in the powder coming up to canada. It will be back and it will not be $875 per 8lbs.
Lets realize there is a multisystem problem supply chain and production crisis that is global and finally catching up and inflamed by east/west government war-drums. Demand for firearms and equipment, even old stuff has not been higher for some time. As such prices are reflecting that. When legislative policy makes firearms a business to operate with continuous increased liability and uncertainty prices can also be seen to reflect that as well. As for people making a profit off of others....That is called the hustle my friend, buying something of value that may be perceived as having higher value by others. This is the basis on which much mercantile trade exists and will exist for as long as humanity exists. Many families were fed buy persons that hustle buying and selling and I begrudge know one with the acumen for a sale.
