VZ-58s and more...FAQs are Post 1
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accuracy
The chrome lined are milspec at 2 and a half inches at 100 yds iffn u get an unworn bore. The wolverine CZ's have new manufactured non chrome bores (probably the cz bolt action 7.62x39 barrels off the production line) - much more accurate - mine shoots 1/4 to 1/2 inch at a hundred. The non chrome bores wear quickly iffn u pour 30 rds thru em non stop without cooling. Iffn u wanna spray an pray get chrome - iffn u wanna do head shots at 200 get the CZ 858.
Just curious what type of accuracy the Wolverine imported one has versus the Marsters non-restricted.
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The chrome lined are milspec at 2 and a half inches at 100 yds iffn u get an unworn bore. The wolverine CZ's have new manufactured non chrome bores (probably the cz bolt action 7.62x39 barrels off the production line) - much more accurate - mine shoots 1/4 to 1/2 inch at a hundred. The non chrome bores wear quickly iffn u pour 30 rds thru em non stop without cooling. Iffn u wanna spray an pray get chrome - iffn u wanna do head shots at 200 get the CZ 858.
drive out the pin and then tap the HG down with a hammer if stubborn.
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I have heard that chrome has more expansion and contraction with heat and cold than steel so chrome bores have to be slightly greater in diameter - less tight. But for whatever reason the steel bore 858's will out shoot the chrome 58's
I have heard that chrome has more expansion and contraction with heat and cold than steel so chrome bores have to be slightly greater in diameter - less tight. But for whatever reason the steel bore 858's will out shoot the chrome 58's
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There is a reason most precision shooters don't use chrome bores, right?
Accurizing The Cz 858
I have been doubted about my 858's ability to shoot under 1/2 inch at a hundred , but I assure all it's true.There are witnesses at the dale who have seen me do it. Here's how -
Use J B bore paste to polish the bore , and use it frequently to make sure no copper is in the bore. The scout scope mount should be shimmed on the sight block (each side and the top so it slides on tight , then locktite the screws).The muzzle brake must be tight - 12 wraps of plumbers teflon tape around the threads is the easiest way. The forend must be epoxy bedded for consistent pressure on the gas block ferrule.This is easily done by the appropriate diameter brass rod epoxied in the bottom and side gaps at the rear of the lower forend where it meets the receiver. This will exhert consistent even pressure on the gas block ferrule. If you have the INFRATEK forend experiment with the locking screw tension that accomplishes the same result. Tighter means groups print higher - to tight means horizontal stringing.Just a little past snug seems the best for me.Grease the trigger sear and squeeze real slow when shooting. The lousy trigger is a killer of small groups. Use a bubble level on the gun for consistent hold on your bench rest. I use WOLF hollow points but have had good results with corrosive surplus as well by weighing each round with a digital powder scale , batching them then batching them again with a caliper by over all length. Shoot the same weight and same O.A.L. together. Some lengths shoot better than others depending on your 858's throat.Rest the rifle on the receiver NOT the forend ! Shoot without the mag.
Thats all there is to it -
I have been doubted about my 858's ability to shoot under 1/2 inch at a hundred , but I assure all it's true.There are witnesses at the dale who have seen me do it. Here's how -
Use J B bore paste to polish the bore , and use it frequently to make sure no copper is in the bore. The scout scope mount should be shimmed on the sight block (each side and the top so it slides on tight , then locktite the screws).The muzzle brake must be tight - 12 wraps of plumbers teflon tape around the threads is the easiest way. The forend must be epoxy bedded for consistent pressure on the gas block ferrule.This is easily done by the appropriate diameter brass rod epoxied in the bottom and side gaps at the rear of the lower forend where it meets the receiver. This will exhert consistent even pressure on the gas block ferrule. If you have the INFRATEK forend experiment with the locking screw tension that accomplishes the same result. Tighter means groups print higher - to tight means horizontal stringing.Just a little past snug seems the best for me.Grease the trigger sear and squeeze real slow when shooting. The lousy trigger is a killer of small groups. Use a bubble level on the gun for consistent hold on your bench rest. I use WOLF hollow points but have had good results with corrosive surplus as well by weighing each round with a digital powder scale , batching them then batching them again with a caliper by over all length. Shoot the same weight and same O.A.L. together. Some lengths shoot better than others depending on your 858's throat.Rest the rifle on the receiver NOT the forend ! Shoot without the mag.
Thats all there is to it -
I have been doubted about my 858's ability to shoot under 1/2 inch at a hundred , but I assure all it's true.There are witnesses at the dale who have seen me do it. Here's how -
Use J B bore paste to polish the bore , and use it frequently to make sure no copper is in the bore. The scout scope mount should be shimmed on the sight block (each side and the top so it slides on tight , then locktite the screws).The muzzle brake must be tight - 12 wraps of plumbers teflon tape around the threads is the easiest way. The forend must be epoxy bedded for consistent pressure on the gas block ferrule.This is easily done by the appropriate diameter brass rod epoxied in the bottom and side gaps at the rear of the lower forend where it meets the receiver. This will exhert consistent even pressure on the gas block ferrule. If you have the INFRATEK forend experiment with the locking screw tension that accomplishes the same result. Tighter means groups print higher - to tight means horizontal stringing.Just a little past snug seems the best for me.Grease the trigger sear and squeeze real slow when shooting. The lousy trigger is a killer of small groups. Use a bubble level on the gun for consistent hold on your bench rest. I use WOLF hollow points but have had good results with corrosive surplus as well by weighing each round with a digital powder scale , batching them then batching them again with a caliper by over all length. Shoot the same weight and same O.A.L. together. Some lengths shoot better than others depending on your 858's throat.Rest the rifle on the receiver NOT the forend ! Shoot without the mag.
Thats all there is to it -
very interesting... and have YOU tried this method with a vz58L and compared the results?
I have been doubted about my 858's ability to shoot under 1/2 inch at a hundred , but I assure all it's true.There are witnesses at the dale who have seen me do it. Here's how -
Use J B bore paste to polish the bore , and use it frequently to make sure no copper is in the bore. The scout scope mount should be shimmed on the sight block (each side and the top so it slides on tight , then locktite the screws).The muzzle brake must be tight - 12 wraps of plumbers teflon tape around the threads is the easiest way. The forend must be epoxy bedded for consistent pressure on the gas block ferrule.This is easily done by the appropriate diameter brass rod epoxied in the bottom and side gaps at the rear of the lower forend where it meets the receiver. This will exhert consistent even pressure on the gas block ferrule. If you have the INFRATEK forend experiment with the locking screw tension that accomplishes the same result. Tighter means groups print higher - to tight means horizontal stringing.Just a little past snug seems the best for me.Grease the trigger sear and squeeze real slow when shooting. The lousy trigger is a killer of small groups. Use a bubble level on the gun for consistent hold on your bench rest. I use WOLF hollow points but have had good results with corrosive surplus as well by weighing each round with a digital powder scale , batching them then batching them again with a caliper by over all length. Shoot the same weight and same O.A.L. together. Some lengths shoot better than others depending on your 858's throat.Rest the rifle on the receiver NOT the forend ! Shoot without the mag.
Thats all there is to it -
Very interesting efforts. I think that you are flogging a dead horse though. If you were working for a sniper or target grade rifle, thats what you should have bought. Kind of pointless shooting it as a single shot without the mag in it just to achieve a higher degree of accuracy. It defeats the purpose of the guns design. Interesting efforts just the same. Cheers.
sniper rifle
I have sniper rifles - was just testing the accuracy potential of the 858 - A cheap assault rifle . And it does shoot under half inch with the mag - its just easier on the bald eagle rest without the mag. I do like the idea of a lightweight 762x39 that can do apricot shots at 200 yds. - Only accurate rifles are interesting
Very interesting efforts. I think that you are flogging a dead horse though. If you were working for a sniper or target grade rifle, thats what you should have bought. Kind of pointless shooting it as a single shot without the mag in it just to achieve a higher degree of accuracy. It defeats the purpose of the guns design. Interesting efforts just the same. Cheers.
I have sniper rifles - was just testing the accuracy potential of the 858 - A cheap assault rifle . And it does shoot under half inch with the mag - its just easier on the bald eagle rest without the mag. I do like the idea of a lightweight 762x39 that can do apricot shots at 200 yds. - Only accurate rifles are interesting
2nd Line for the CZ 858/VZ 58
Not to change the subject or anything but...I just got my 858 and am wondering what kind of gear guys are using with theirs. I was interested in the Eagle Industries AK rig but they're all tied up with contracts and I don't think I can wait six months. It's kinda being turned into my SHTF blaster and when the zombies come I don't wanna be "that guy" with mags stuck in my jeans.
Let's see some of your rigs!
Not to change the subject or anything but...I just got my 858 and am wondering what kind of gear guys are using with theirs. I was interested in the Eagle Industries AK rig but they're all tied up with contracts and I don't think I can wait six months. It's kinda being turned into my SHTF blaster and when the zombies come I don't wanna be "that guy" with mags stuck in my jeans.
Let's see some of your rigs!
Im sure this question has been asked before but i dont have the patience to read through 305 pages of posts. Will putting a folding stock on my CZ-858 or a VZ-58L turn it into a restricted firearm. Im at work and want to order a folding stock and dont have the gun to measure.
