Under new rules what happens when I die?

[CZ Shooter]

Here is the thing:
Once you are dead, you can no longer be charged...there is absolutelly nothing these psychopaths can do to you at that point.
This makes you the ultimate decision maker of what happens to your guns.

Make sure you have this conversation with your close friends and family, so they know what to do, should your departure be sudden and unexpected.
If you know you are dying, you can make these arrangements yourself.

Most importantly, tell your family to NEVER EVER TALK TO THE COPS ABOUT YOUR GUNS!!

They will try to threaten, intimidate or try to trap them with their words, hoping that someone will crack under pressure.
If they want to talk to someone, they can talk to the family lawyer (and they won't, because they know it would be a waste of their time).

This decision is 100% yours to make.

 

[TT1900]

The Elite shooters won’t even find a store willing to go to the trouble to sell them guns. Who in the world will keep specialty gun for a few guys ?

Of course we will. Western Marksman, Airguns Plus, and Cibles will no doubt continue to serve the ISSF pistol community. It’ll basically be business as usual. It’s not like the ISSF crowd were high volume purchasers before all this. Most of us shoot the same gun for decades.

 

[StoneHorse]

Of course we will. Western Marksman, Airguns Plus, and Cibles will no doubt continue to serve the ISSF pistol community. It’ll basically be business as usual. It’s not like the ISSF crowd were high volume purchasers before all this. Most of us shoot the same gun for decades.

Are you suggesting we all become ISSF members?

 

[TT1900]

How does one become an elite shooter without being able to purchase a handgun? Are elite shooters born that way? Heh heh

Yes, like any other psychomotor based activity most are, to some degree, born that way.

Airguns. No, I’m not joking. And most of us keep shooting 10m AP after going on to “real” guns. It’s cheap, it’s easier to access, it reveals every flaw in technique, and it’s a ton of fun. Many registered clubs even provide the pistols to youth shooters in an attempt to keep costs manageable. Honestly one of the most overlooked shooting sports in this country.

 

[StoneHorse]

How does one become an elite shooter without being able to purchase a handgun? Are elite shooters born that way? Heh heh

Yes, like any other psychomotor based activity most are, to some degree, born that way.

Airguns. No, I’m not joking. And most of us keep shooting 10m AP after going on to “real” guns. It’s cheap, it’s easier to access, it reveals every flaw in technique, and it’s a ton of fun. Many registered clubs even provide the pistols to youth shooters in an attempt to keep costs manageable. Honestly one of the most overlooked shooting sports in this country.

Referring back to lowburb's first question, how does one begin to compete if one cannot even purchase a handgun? Will the new proposed laws (bans) exempt ISSF members?

 

[TT1900]

No, I was suggesting that those shooting ISSF disciplines will be supported by the businesses that have already been doing so. Those businesses aren’t relying on hundreds or thousands of handgun sales per year to stay afloat. They’re used to much smaller numbers.

I certainly recommend joining the SFC and a local club if interested in learning how to shoot ISSF events. For those with kids in particular, 10m AP is an excellent entry point into handgun sports. Many clubs, in conjunction with SFC and provincial bodies, will even provide your child an AP and pellets.

For the record, I’m fully against all of this nonsense. If it does come in to force, as seems likely, I hope that other shooting disciplines are included in the exemptions. Despite not shooting IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy, etc., I would certainly love to see them be held in the same esteem as ISSF disciplines.

 

[StoneHorse]

No, I was suggesting that those shooting ISSF disciplines will be supported by the businesses that have already been doing so. Those businesses aren’t relying on hundreds or thousands of handgun sales per year to stay afloat. They’re used to much smaller numbers.

I certainly recommend joining the SFC and a local club if interested in learning how to shoot ISSF events. For those with kids in particular, 10m AP is an excellent entry point into handgun sports. Many clubs, in conjunction with SFC and provincial bodies, will even provide your child an AP and pellets.

For the record, I’m fully against all of this nonsense. If it does come in to force, as seems likely, I hope that other shooting disciplines are included in the exemptions. Despite not shooting IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy, etc., I would certainly love to see them be held in the same esteem as ISSF disciplines.

So would I and many others but the sad reality is the liberal government cannot be trusted to leave people alone in peaceful enjoyment of their chosen sport. Or just leave good people alone, period.

 

[TT1900]

Referring back to lowburb's first question, how does one begin to compete if one cannot even purchase a handgun? Will the new proposed laws (bans) exempt ISSF members?

That’s a question that I don’t have a concrete answer for. I would guess a scheme like some European jurisdictions, where shooting successfully in a “lower” category would then qualify you to move up. For ISSF events in particular, AP is the logical first step.

It’s all quite ridiculous. Can’t remember the last time somebody committed a violent crime with a Pardini.

 

[TT1900]

So would I and many others but the sad reality is the liberal government cannot be trusted to leave people alone in peaceful enjoyment of their chosen sport. Or just leave good people alone, period.

100%. Very disheartening situation.

 

[StoneHorse]

That’s a question that I don’t have a concrete answer for. I would guess a scheme like some European jurisdictions, where shooting successfully in a “lower” category would then qualify you to move up. For ISSF events in particular, AP is the logical first step.

It’s all quite ridiculous. Can’t remember the last time somebody committed a violent crime with a Pardini.

This is not and never was about crime. Its all about a gun free Canada (for the most part).

 

[Far North]

Under new rules what happens when I die?

My bet is that it looks something like this.

 

[Painkillers]

...

 

[AlexisCreek]

Regarding the exemption for "elite" shooting, it's important to read what C-21 actually says, in subsection 97.1 (b):

"Exception — handguns

97.#1 Sections 12.#2 and 19.#1 do not apply in respect of an individual who

(a) holds an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or

(b) meets the prescribed criteria and provides a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating

(i) that they are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,

(ii) the disciplines in which they train, compete or coach, and

(iii) that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines."

You won't have to be an "elite" shooter. You will have to be " training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee" and you have to get a letter from the Shooting Federation of Canada (or one of the provincial governing bodies for those events) saying so. You'll also have to meet whatever other "prescribed criteria" the government brings in by regulation. Let's hope those weasel words aren't used to add some more onerous requirements. If C-21 passes, then it looks like this will be the only path to acquiring a handgun in Canada, for those who don't already have one. Currently, the Olympic "programme" includes just two events, both 22LR only: 25m Rapid Fire and 25m Pistol. Note that does NOT mean all the ISSF (international) events. Especially not the Centre Fire event, which is generally fired with .32 S&W Long, but under the rules anything up to .38 calibre is legal, and that would include 9mm. How will new shooters who don't yet have a pistol meet these requirements? Presumably by using a borrowed pistol, or a club pistol (as in Australia). These two "Olympic" events have a learning curve, for sure. It's common to need some practice time to get comfortable firing one handed at a smallish black circle that's 25 metres away (or less, if you're using scaled down targets on a 20 yard range). There aren't many shooters in these disciplines currently, in Canada. And yes, it's too bad that the Liberals have left IPSC and every other handgun discipline out of the exemption list. They've even put this "Olympic programme" limitation right into the Act, not just a Regulation, so as to make it harder to change when there's a change in government.

 

[slarsen47]

My bet is that it looks something like this.

Your friends and neighbors in uniform harassing the innocent?

Is this picture going to be acceptable practice for dealing with average citizens?

Not going to happen.

 

[Galt]

No, I was suggesting that those shooting ISSF disciplines will be supported by the businesses that have already been doing so. Those businesses aren’t relying on hundreds or thousands of handgun sales per year to stay afloat. They’re used to much smaller numbers.

I certainly recommend joining the SFC and a local club if interested in learning how to shoot ISSF events. For those with kids in particular, 10m AP is an excellent entry point into handgun sports. Many clubs, in conjunction with SFC and provincial bodies, will even provide your child an AP and pellets.

For the record, I’m fully against all of this nonsense. If it does come in to force, as seems likely, I hope that other shooting disciplines are included in the exemptions. Despite not shooting IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy, etc., I would certainly love to see them be held in the same esteem as ISSF disciplines.

10M Air Pistol... what exactly do those sub 500 fps guns look like?
I bet like regular rimfire pistols.. soooo.. what 10M Air Pistols are you gonna use?

 

[uglydukwling]

Your friends and neighbors in uniform harassing the innocent?

Is this picture going to be acceptable practice for dealing with average citizens?

Not going to happen.

The people being "dealt with" aren't average citizens. They are gun owners, which makes them alt-right white supremacist insurgents. The fact that the authorities had to use that level of force against them proves it.

 

[J.Hancock]

The same thing that happens to everyone when they die, not even Lord Justin can change that.

 

[Snowy Owl]

Nobody talk on behalf of me when I am dead. They can ask as many questions about my guns while sitting on my casket. If they get an answer, it’s theirs !

IF they get an answer, it's theirs ! The key word here is "IF". From the dead guy inside the casket. Well, they might succeed because, after all, they are the Police but I seriously doubt it. "IF" ...

Pretty good Janeau, pretty good !

 

[lerch641]

The same thing that happens to everyone when they die, not even Lord Justin can change that.

Ah yes, the big BBQ in the sky.

 

[Painkillers]

Your friends and neighbors in uniform harassing the innocent?

Is this picture going to be acceptable practice for dealing with average citizens?

Not going to happen.

Ruby Ridge sh1t? As a country we need to implement a better vetting process for the leaders of our political parties. These psychotic narcissists have turned law abiding people into criminals, and our state, into a police state complete with bank account seizures and war measures being put in place all in the name of "security". It's fu<ling Orwellian!?