Pistol gurus: Browning HP: some info? *pics up*

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Gents, I have the other info on this Hi Power.
I am considering purchasing this gun from a family friend, but I have no idea what to pay him for it. This will be a "keeper", so I'm not concerned with resale/etc...I just want a HP :) Pics will come shortly, But I need an idea of value based on the info I have. Gun is in good shape, minor wear on the park, but nothing major. Interesting that it has a lanyard ring on LH side of the grip....

Is marked Browning-FN 9MM HP Inglis Canada
marked MK.1*

Has crossed flags above the serial # on the barrel in the breech area

Serial # is 4T12**

Any info you can provide on this gun would be great!
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BTW, He also has a wartime Luger that he has asked me to list for him (I can't have it...no 12(6):mad: ). Anyway, when I get over there for pics, etc. I hope you don't mind me posting another "whats it worth?" post :redface:

*edit* Pics up: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207729
Ryan
 
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Assuming it is in good condition internally etc... fair price would be what a used modern BHP would cost. They typically go between 600 ~ 800 and up depending on condition and uniqueness etc...
 
Thanks guys, is there anything I should be looking for that would make it "unique"?

Is this, in fact, a CF issue Hi Power?

Is this one of the sought after "T" prefixes as mentioned in the other thread? (Is that the T in the ser#?)

The crossed flags on the barrel inside the ejection port, above the serial # (theres 3 serial #s...barrrel, slide, frame, all the same The one with the flags is washed out by the flash) Can you tell me what they mean?

Good info, Thanks!
 
"...Is this, in fact, a CF issue Hi Power?..." Yep. Nothing particularly special about it though. Needs the rusting removed from the slide serrations. Use a toothbrush.
Looks like somebody has been beating on those pins too. Trying to do a trigger job maybe. The one in the trigger holds the mag safety in. The one above the trigger holds the trigger in.
"...has a lanyard ring..." Standard issue. You can make a lanyard out of parachute cord.
$600 to $800 is about right.
 
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Wrong Way said:
Thanks guys, is there anything I should be looking for that would make it "unique"?
Not really, typical Inglis "T" series HP. Its still got its Inglis mag?
Is this, in fact, a CF issue Hi Power?
Probably, at least its the same gun that they issue still
Is this one of the sought after "T" prefixes as mentioned in the other thread? (Is that the T in the ser#?)
Not sure what other thread you speak of, but its not the Belgium Browning "T" of late 60s/early 70s vintage, that are desirable
The crossed flags on the barrel inside the ejection port, above the serial # (theres 3 serial #s...barrrel, slide, frame, all the same The one with the flags is washed out by the flash) Can you tell me what they mean?
Dominion of Canada proofs
Good info, Thanks!
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I agree with john@ on the value,
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OK. Heres some more:

The mag is marked "JI"
The "rust" in the serrations really isn't, just dust. I've since cleaned it up.
The finish is actually nicer than what the pics show. It was filthy, and covered with greasy smudges and dust.
The pins actually look pretty good, and the mag safety is in tact.

More good info...man I love this place :)
 
Is the barrel marked with the same ser #? and are the markings on the left side in the "white" as the ser # appears to be?

If all markings are in the "white" or not parkerized, it would indicate that the pistol has not been re-finished, they were marked after being parked. The barrel should have the same ser# and a crossed flag mark electro-penciled above it. If the ser# on the barrel is marked on what looks like a flat milled section, it is a Belgian 2 piece replacement brought in after the original Cdn supplies were exhausted. The T in the ser # is not the same as the Belgian guns where those are desired. It means that it was the Cdn made gun that was intended for allied issue (UK/Russia/Canada) the Chinese guns have a CH in the ser #.

Any where from 6-800 depending on originality and condition IMHO.
 
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Is the barrel marked with the same ser #? and are the markings on the left side in the "white" as the ser # appears to be?

If all markings are in the "white" or not parkerized, it would indicate that the pistol has not been re-finished, they were marked after being parked. The barrel should have the same ser# and a crossed flag mark electro-penciled above it. If the ser# on the barrel is marked on what looks like a flat milled section, it is a Belgian 2 piece replacement brought in after the original Cdn supplies were exhausted. The T in the ser # is not the same as the Belgian guns where those are desired. It means that it was the Cdn made gun that was intended for allied issue (UK/Russia/Canada) the Chinese guns have a CH in the ser #.

Any where from 6-800 depending on originality and condition IMHO.
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The serial # is definitely not park'd...but the other side?
Do these help?

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Buy the gun.

If in doubt about the in the "white" comments look up the Inglis diamond and the pubs put out by Blake Stevens by Historical Arms Press. I can send some scans of the Stevens book if you want.

It should be all markings in the white not just the ser#'s so the pic of the left side of "your" gun shows that is has been re-finished.

Still fetching $600 here on the board at least in the condition you show.
 
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I've never seen the dimple in the slide in front of the ejection port on the right side on an issue pistol. Is there a story behind it? Or was it filled in somehow when they parkerized them?

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Just checked and they all have this dimple. Just never noticed it before.
 
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Wrong Way said:
Will do. This has to be the easiest pistol on the planet to field strip :)
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+2. When I was 14, and my brother was 10, we used to time ourselves with a stopwatch. Both of us could field strip and re-assemble it in 30 seconds flat.

I envy you. If I wasn't holding out for a Sig P210 (a man can dream, can't he?), I'd get one.
 
"...in the white..." As in painted white? That's a U.S. military peace time quirk. The CF never did it. Offer the owner $600.
CF issue mags hold 14 rounds. The evil things that they are. Commercial BHP mags hold 13 and are just as evil.
Buy it.
Then pop out the mag safety. Drops the trigger pull considerably. It's a European manufacturer's quirk. Just remember to tell anybody you allow to shoot it.
 
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Mag actually holds 13. I've been told they only load 'em to 12 in the CF, but I may be wrong. Down in the US, you only put 12 in or risk mucking up the mag lips. Rumored to be one of the big issues with BHP feed-overfilling the mag, then ramming it home and bending the lips.

Your pistol looks pretty normal to me, and a nice one too! A reasonable guy would charge $700. Someone could fish for +$800. These guns are either currently overpriced, or seriously undervalued in the Canadian market. Try for $1000-there aren't many circulating, chances are you'll get it. Of course, then you'll be THAT prick that drove the market up;)
 
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