Semi-Sten: CFC AND RCMP approved and Home at Last

contact148 said:
some just had parts removed

RPd had the gas tube welded making it a bolt action.......
Click to expand...

My Norinco RPD works semi auto only. too bad I can't even shoot it any more!

As for pay pal, lots of people are getting screwed on that. My Cousin sold a part on E-BAY, pay pal confermed payment. then when the guys recieved it
he called visa and claimed he was scamed!! so Visa reversed the payment & he got nothing! Thats fraud!! It should be no different then bank robbery!

My friend sold a differental cover to a guy on E-BAY also. the payment was confermed, then he claimed he never got it, the guy had the payment reversed, he got nothing, and to top it off, he seen the guys truck on line with the diff. cover on it. and it's one of a kind as my friend makes them!
TOTAL CRAP!

It's going on all over & nothing get done to stop it!
So DON'T USE PAY PAL! maybe they'll stop this crap!
 
If I could get my hands on a BD-3008 for examination, or get really good photos or drawings of the trigger mechanism of one, I would be inclined to make a clone. The BD mechanism has been approved, so it should be acceptable to use the design. Now anything that I made would not be a BD-3008 - that is an SSD product - so a new FRT number would have to be created. I would expect that the RCMP techs would want to have a look, and that would be fine.
An alternative route would be to create a new design for the trigger mechanism, and hope for the best. Might fly, might not.
 
Finally, what can be noted is that NO MORE original F/A receivers altered or not may be used to build a new firearm. Same applies for registered C/A receivers. (If I'm wrong, by all means please correct me so I don't mislead others too.)

Wanna build a SAS-3 Mk2 ? Good! These must be made with "new" HOMEMADE receivers (read magazine wells). Then, what if you got a parts kit with the original magwell? DON'T use that magwell! Not legal to build anything else than a paper weight (even then I would not bet on it).

Silly, a new mag well is no more different than an original but for the serial numbers and lettering on it. My own way of thinking: "Don't ask! Don't argue, BUILD IT!" Well, build it as long as it follows stencollectors steps and it gets registered.


J. Savoie
 
Last edited:
It IS a bit silly. I have several real, legitimate, original STEN Mag wells sitting on guns dewatted to RCMP spec. The RCMP's OWN INSTRUCTIONS on dewatting require NO DESTRUCTION of the STEN Magwell.

Yet, at the same time, I have to hand-build yet another mag well to go on my hand-built RECEIVER tube to remain legal. Oh well. Them's the rules.

I think I might tack-weld the front sights onto my dewat stens to prevent removel of the original wells, just to prevent any possible issues should I ever get inspected.
 
If you build a Sten that is capable of accepting full-auto components (ie, bolt with FA feed lips and face-machined firing pin and a fire control group without a disconnector, the RCMP WILL seize it as a home-made machine gun. Period. End of Story.

Note that I did not say "built with FA components" - I said CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING FA Components.
Click to expand...
Not to be pedantic but what the hell are "FA feed lips" on a Sten? And which Sten parts are FA components?

The Sten trigger group is dead simple. If you want to produce an open bolt, semi-auto only variant that cannot be easily converted with original parts, this is what I'd suggest. Go with a smaller ID tube and turn down and original bolt. Then weld across the FA cutout on the sear step on the bolt. Also, only cut open the receiver wide enough to allow the tripping lever to ride only in the semi-auto position. The last thing you need to do is to find a way to prevent the tripping lever being modified, which is probably the most difficult thing to do.

I think I might tack-weld the front sights onto my dewat stens to prevent removel of the original wells, just to prevent any possible issues should I ever get inspected.
Click to expand...
Uh huh, and 5 minutes with a dremel and a grinder and your tack welds are gone. Not to mention, most Sten front sights were originally brazed in place anyway.
 
OK, on a full-auto sten bolt, the feed rails that pick upi the cartridge and ride between the mag feed lips protrude beyond the part of the bolt face that supports the head of the cartridge during firing. This is because of 2 reasons:
1) the rim would hang up on the firing pin while the cartridge is slipping up into the extractor area during feeding.
2) the feed lips prevent the fixed-pin from slam-firing the round until it's chambered and the cartridge head slips up under the extractor claw.
On a semi-auto SAS3 you remove those lips from the design because it's striker-fired, so there's not fixed firing pin nub to worry about.

The "full-auto components" in is different depending on design. On the BD3008 type mechanism, the sear bar s NOT fixed the the sear. Instead it cams against the sear and has a disconnector like a regular sten in semi-auto mode. But the bar is NOT fixed to the sear, so that if it ever somehow got pushed over and a full-auto bolt was installed, the sear would not depress and the gun would not fire.

The SAS3 is a different fire control group design altogether, since hte sear only trips a hammer that hits a striker.

Is that clearer?
 
hedgehog said:
um i agree with a lot you said , but almost any other semi auto and a dremel and in 5 min a criminal could be full auto.
Click to expand...

Well I'm not going to get nuts about it. REalistically, almost every Sten dewat in the country has an intact mag well. The rest of the gun is a piece of slag that used to be a gun.
 
hedgehog said:
um i agree with a lot you said , but almost any other semi auto and a dremel and in 5 min a criminal could be full auto.
Click to expand...

Sounds like that old file the pin wives tale to me!
I hear for people all the time.

It's not that easy, I'm a gunsmith & weapons tec.
take a AR-15. can you make a sear with a dremel??? add on to you trigger,disconector,hammer, make you bolts catch to the sear???
it's take a little more than dremel!
just putingin a M16 selector doesn't do it. it will just fire one rd. then stop till you #### it again!
 
Now back on topic who here has got a line on the sas3 kits , and getting them across the boarder.

A little birdie told me that a gunsmith buddy of his may be offering the kit in canada.
 
hedgehog said:
Now back on topic who here has got a line on the sas3 kits , and getting them across the boarder.

A little birdie told me that a gunsmith buddy of his may be offering the kit in canada.
Click to expand...


Are you asking a question to which you know the answer?
 
I should point out that the SAS-3 kit, as it is, is patented in the USA. A Canadian offering, if you best desire to avoid legal angst, should be altered just enough to not be a complete copy. Some suggestions would be to revert the bolt handle to the original 20 degree cant, change the striker design a bit, etc.

If someone DOES make them and sell them, that would be great :)

In other news, I'm going to get a couple barrels made up in 7.62x25TT from some .311" bore blank I have. The mags only need to feed 5 rounds so the angle shouldn't be much of a problem and the nI can use CHEAP AMMO in my SAS3 if/when it ever gets completed ;)
 
Claven2 said:
In other news, I'm going to get a couple barrels made up in 7.62x25TT from some .311" bore blank I have. The mags only need to feed 5 rounds so the angle shouldn't be much of a problem and the nI can use CHEAP AMMO in my SAS3 if/when it ever gets completed ;)
Click to expand...


Cool idea, i dont know much about this cartridge how does it compare to the 9mm luger? nice and cheap to shoot anyhow. :)
 
hedgehog said:
Cool idea, i dont know much about this cartridge how does it compare to the 9mm luger? nice and cheap to shoot anyhow. :)
Click to expand...

As far as I know, 7,62TT rounds are hotter than 9mm. They have more penetration.


If you need parts for a 7,62x25mm conversion, I just happen to know WHO in the US sells them and he DOES sell to Canada:

Brad York
brad@aa-ok.com

I asked him about this conversion last May this was his reply:

If you are referring to ST-5 It is in stock.

Yes we ship to Canada. $25 no promise of delivery


On 5/14/07, Fiori < fiori@oricom.ca> wrote:
1- Do you still have parts to turn a Sten into a 7.62x25 "chinese contract" Sten?

2- Do you ship to Canada?

J. Savoie

(PS Oricom is no more my email address)


And these are picture that you'll find usefull:


21022n.jpg


maghousing.jpg


st2.jpg


st5.jpg


st6.jpg


NOW you may see better if you still wish to make such a conversion and get through all the trouble and wait to get a FRT for it or not.


J. Savoie
 
For the first 5 rounds, it should feed fine from regular Sten mags. the curved mags only matter if you need 10 or more rounds, I suspect.
 
ok, well here are some more photos :)

Let's measure the locking pin collar...
IMG_1799.jpg

IMG_1800.jpg

Great! This bar stock will fit the bill!
IMG_1801.jpg

Back to the Mill that Klunk hates, because we're "Fancy":rolleyes:
IMG_1802.jpg

Looking good...
IMG_1803.jpg

More measuring...
IMG_1804.jpg

And sectioned off with the saw...
IMG_1810.jpg

Drilling out the hole...
IMG_1819.jpg

Brazed on, an original on a demilled Longbranch mag housing is on the right.
IMG_1820.jpg

One of the trigger units in the two kits was cut in two as part of demilling. The trigger on the bottom has been repaired with sheet steel welded on and cleaned up. The top trigger is an intact original.
IMG_1822.jpg

That's it for now!
 
This thread has over 300 posts, and close to 12 000 views, and these are the only projects showing progress?
Folks waiting for an all in one package, insert tab A into slot B, kitchen table level of difficulty kit?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom