Who manufactures or tunes the best reproduction Winchester 1873

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Like the title says: Who makes the best Winchester 1873 reproduction rifle? Uberti, Miroku, Taylors or Cimarron or another one I'm not thinking of? Not really hung up on the type of finish or wood, only the quality of the fit & finish & build. And on that note; is there a cartridge that functions through the action better than others?
 
Out of the box, Winchester miroku.

For tuning potential, I prefer uberti, I used to build them into Cass race guns for guys with pioneer parts.

Don't buy chiappa.

For reliability, they all run .38/.357 ok. For .45, the Italian guns often need some chamber work to feed well. The mirokus all feed perfect out of the box.

I don't bother with the .44-40 guns. You can't easily load this caliber on a progressive press.
 
Out of the box, Winchester miroku.

For tuning potential, I prefer uberti, I used to build them into Cass race guns for guys with pioneer parts.

Don't buy chiappa.

For reliability, they all run .38/.357 ok. For .45, the Italian guns often need some chamber work to feed well. The mirokus all feed perfect out of the box.

I don't bother with the .44-40 guns. You can't easily load this caliber on a progressive press.

Excellent post on this subject, I agree fully.
 
Well it looks a Miroku in .357 on the way. Owned a couple of originals back in the day, but this will be the 1st one from the new manufactures. It'll be neat to compare it to the originals from what I remember LOL!
 
My miroku 357 wont shoot straight. At 100 metres it would be 8 or ten inches. I tried factory, cast, plated, fast, slow, whatever I could think of. At 50 it would be pretty accurate, maybe 2 inches. I have a Cimarron 32 20 which is quite accurate with plated bullets not going to bother with cast. Both guns are pretty nice. The Winchester is lighter to cycle because of the springs but I wouldn't say one is really smoother than the other they both cycle real nice. The Winchester has some weird stuff in the bolt so the hammer can't take a straight shot at the pin and it sometimes wouldn't fire in cold weather. Both have very light hammer springs. The uberti loading gate is too stiff. I only shoot the uberti now. I had a trigger lightening job done on both of them by rusty wood to the weight I asked for. Totally worth it
 
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I all ways have good things to say of the firearms coming out of the Miroku plant in Japan. If your not happy with what you get from them, David pedersoli might be another company to look into.
 
I all ways have good things to say of the firearms coming out of the Miroku plant in Japan. If your not happy with what you get from them, David pedersoli might be another company to look into.

T'would be nice if Pedersoli made the 1873 but sadly, they don't. I had a Miroku '73 in 357 that shot not bad at 80 yds with my cast loads, but ended up moving 'er
down the road. Too heavy fer me wandering the woods and too weak of an action to be going above black powder pressure levels with for extended use.
 
I all ways have good things to say of the firearms coming out of the Miroku plant in Japan. If your not happy with what you get from them, David pedersoli might be another company to look into.

I know Pedersoli makes a 1886/71 model now, but unsure if they ever made an 1873 model? I know the Italian manufactures made guns & parts for each other in the past though...
 
Too heavy fer me wandering the woods and too weak of an action to be going above black powder pressure levels with for extended use.

Never heard that before? Have to keep an eye on that when I get it. Heard about damaging the bolt tabs if you short stroke this model. But I figured the new models would be up to handling the higher pressures of a factory .357 magnum. Interesting mention & figured mine will see more smokeless than black powder... Maybe not, I guess?
 
I'm with Claven2. The Miroku-Winchester is ready to run, right out of the box. Excellent rifles, in my opinion. The Uberti will need some tuning to get it ready for competition. A relatively easy job, as aftermarket competition parts are readily available. For general use, either brand of rifle is fully capable. Though I'd still give the Miroku a bit of an edge. For competition: Uberti.

DANCESWITHEMPTIES: You may already be aware of this, but for those who may not:

Though pretty much identical externally, the Miroku-Winchester 1873 differs quite a bit from the originals(and Uberti rifles), internally. Main spring, lever/lifter springs, lever safety spring and trigger return spring(This is a single shaped wire spring in the Miroku that controls both functions), are all different. They do not interchange with either original Winchester rifles, nor Uberti.

Not a big deal, unless you need Miroku replacement parts. Which seem pretty much unobtainium, right now. So, something to be aware of. Otherwise, the Miroku rifles function like any other Winchester 1873.

The rifles themselves, are very durable and dependable. The only seemingly weak point, being the safety feature built into the bolt extension. Even then, this weakness may be over exaggerated. None of my experience with the stock bolt extension turned up any reliability issues, during competitive use(cowboy action).

Still, the stock bolt extension can be replaced, if desired. I eventually replaced mine, when setting the rifle up for longterm competitive use. Pioneer Gun Works manufactures a solid bolt extension specifically for the Miroku 1873. The part is available through Rusty Wood Trading. Very easy to swap in.

By the way, the Miroku seems to feed very smoothly, regardless of caliber. Have had the opportunity to run these rifles in every caliber available. Found no advantage of one, versus the other. The .357 is a very versatile choice for this rifle. Should also feed .38 Special easily, too. For .38 Special reloads, as long as you keep overall cartridge length around 1.450" or better, you won't run into any feeding problems.

With one caveat: Do not try to run sharp-shouldered, semi-wadcutter type bullets in the Miroku( Uberti, too). This type of bullet will not feed reliably and tends to jam in the chamber mouth. Instead, go with either a round nosed, or better still.....roundnosed flat point bullet design. This bullet shape feeds reliably and smoothly.

About the only beef I had with my Miroku.....and it was a very minor one.... was with the tiny bead on the front sight. Very good for deliberate, aimed shots. But, since I purchased mine for competitive use, I found the front sight hard to acquire under speed. I swapped out the front sight for one with a larger bead, and problem solved. Perhaps not an issue for you, but worth mentioning.

Also, since the rifle was intended for competitive shooting, I didn't like the too stiff(for me) stock lever safety spring. I bent mine to reduce the pressure. Not hard to do....but requires some care. Slix Springs now manufactures a reduced power replacement lever safety spring for the Miroku, which eliminates having to fuss with the stock spring. So, if that option is appealing to you, that may be worth looking into.


i believe Pedersoli makes an Winchester 1894 copy, along with the 1886. As well as a pump action Colt Lightning clone.

Al

ps: I own both Miroku and Uberti 1873 rifles.
 
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Only issue so far with my miroku winchester is it is fussy about coal. Other than that nice rifle. - dan

Any of the toggle action rifles can be easily adjusted to feed any OAL you prefer. The front of the lifter/elevator slope can be sloped back to a higher angle so the new slope can push the next cartridge back up the tube easily. Can be done carefully with a plain ol' bastard file but is easily done with any hobby mill you may have access to. While you have the gun apart, shorten the mag spring so it just has enough strenght to push the last cartridge onto the elevator( I cut all mine to the width of 3 fingers of spring sticking out of mag tube), that's is all that is needed and the next cartridge can be easily pushed back inside the tube.
 
fingers284: This kind of knowledge is always useful to have. One of the reasons why this forum is helpful, to so many. Thanks for sharing.
 
Any of the toggle action rifles can be easily adjusted to feed any OAL you prefer. The front of the lifter/elevator slope can be sloped back to a higher angle so the new slope can push the next cartridge back up the tube easily. Can be done carefully with a plain ol' bastard file but is easily done with any hobby mill you may have access to. While you have the gun apart, shorten the mag spring so it just has enough strenght to push the last cartridge onto the elevator( I cut all mine to the width of 3 fingers of spring sticking out of mag tube), that's is all that is needed and the next cartridge can be easily pushed back inside the tube.

Thanks, that is good to know. - dan
 
Well received the rifle yesterday. It's the SBR round barrel model with the color case hardened finish in .357 /38 special. The finish is beautiful & under stated in the factory pics. But the wood is a bit proud to the metal. Not a big deal and it beats it being the other way around. The walnut is nicely figured. Stamping of the caliber on the bottom side of the carrier was a nice touch. The action is smooth as butter! If I had one criticism of the rifle right now it would be that there is no brass trapdoor in the butt plate like the originals I've played with. I'm glad they didn't try to mess with a tang safety like found on the other models. I'll try and get some range time this month.
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES: Every Miroku 1873 I've seen has the wood slightly proud. Frankly, I think that's a good thing because, if you want to sand/refinish the stock for any reason, you have material to work with before getting into the metal. I've seen plenty of other guns with this feature...including some fairly high end shotguns. By the way, the stocks on these rifles really come alive with a bit of extra oiling. Linseed oil is always good. Or, any other you may choose. Since I always have lots of Ballistol on hand, I treated mine with that. Turned out very nice. Doesn't take a lot of oil.

Part of the reason why the actions on these rifles are so smooth, is the way the mainspring and hammer interact. Unlike the hook & stirrup hammer/mainspring arrangement of original rifles, the Miroku features a roller bearing on the back of the hammer....similar to a Colt single action. The roller rides in a shallow trough, at the free floating top end of the mainspring. (Note: The rear end of the mainspring only, is anchored). This results in a very smooth cycling feel, without any stacking.

I like the idea of stamping the caliber on the brass elevator, too. Just like the originals(caliber engraved on these). A nice touch. I would have really liked to see a trapdoor in the stocks of these rifles too....including the segmented cleaning rod tucked inside, as in original 1873's. Would be a real nod to these classic rifles. But, that might be wishful thinking.


Looking forward to your range report.

Al
 
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