The Valmet

[medvedqc]

Oh you thought the Access to Information Program was intended to facilitate access to information? Orwell would have something to say about that.

ah ah im a dreamer you know ...

 

[MiG25]

Simplest explanation is that someone drafting the legislation owned one.

 

[Leadwizard]

Speaking of valmets. I've managed to get my filthy hands on a hunter in 308. I have a stack of G3 mags, anyone know a good gunsmith that can fit them?

 

[medvedqc]

and seems they are not getting to be banned this time again ...

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf

 

[LordEvilPepper]

Listed by name in the new ban list... velmet hunter

 

[KotKotofeich]

Listed by name in the new ban list... velmet hunter

64 The firearm of the design commonly known as
the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified
version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the
Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles,

 

[medvedqc]

Listed by name in the new ban list... velmet hunter

64 The firearm of the design commonly known as
the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified
version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the
Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles,
but including the

p189 ...

 

[medvedqc]

64 The firearm of the design commonly known as
the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified
version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the
Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles,

sorry double post.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

I stand corrected

 

[w2sea]

Someone call sako. There’s money for them to take. Valmets in every house

 

[CV32]

Listed by name in the new ban list... velmet hunter

Nope, listed specifically as an exception. Piecemeal legislation like this requires careful reading.

 

[KotKotofeich]

Someone call sako. There’s money for them to take. Valmets in every house

Been over this so many times over the years (Beretta owns the brand) - they don't care about our tiny market, they refuse to sell the Valmet brand and the original machinery has been sold to Israel a long time ago (that's where Galils came from)

 

[chillyrabbit]

But they are only exempted from being banned by name, they could still be banned by function being a semi auto centerfire with a detachable magazine that can hold more than 5 (even if pinned)

 

[KotKotofeich]

They could even circle around and remove the exemption if we draw too much attention to this - I think there was a lot of copy-pasting by an intern somewhere... So maybe we should just zip it and not look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[enefgee]

Valmet Hunter and variants (by name) of the M78 are on the proposed new ban list.

 

[medvedqc]

Valmet Hunter and variants (by name) of the M78 are on the proposed new ban list.

64 The firearm of the design commonly known as
the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified
version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the
Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles,


p189 ..

 

[medvedqc]

But they are only exempted from being banned by name, they could still be banned by function being a semi auto centerfire with a detachable magazine that can hold more than 5 (even if pinned)

well we see if they re going with a list of firearms like the list published or the technicality you re saying or both ...

 

[CV32]

They could even circle around and remove the exemption if we draw too much attention to this - I think there was a lot of copy-pasting by an intern somewhere... So maybe we should just zip it and not look a gift horse in the mouth.

Clearly they made the effort excepting out the Valmet Hunter, Hunter Auto and M78 because of their supply to indigenous communities in the North. They're unlikely to back away from that just because you noticed it.

 

[zZ_denis]

Seems like they just copy/pasted the part that lists all the banned AK variants and exempts the 2 Valmet models. They probably figured that AK's were already "dealt with" in C68 almost 30 years ago, so there was no need to amend that list.

I wonder if that exemption would override the "semi with detachable magazine" prohibition.

 

[chillyrabbit]

probably not, because they are on 2 different lines which means it has to be considered by 2 different criteria.

(g) ban by definition
(i) ban by name (valmet exempted by being not a named firearm)

Otherwise full auto Valmets would be legal by that reasoning if you consider it only being exempted by name in our current regulations.