- Location
- West Central Alberta
7.62x39 took on a Sambar Deer hind 180 meters
- Thread starter WhelanLad
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Bullet placement was good, cartridge is adequate- bullet wasn't very satisfactory.
Like Eagle Eye said, I wouldn't want to use it in a .303.
Just had a similar situation with a 7-08 and a 139gr Interlock. I'll post about it next week when I am all caught up
Like Eagle Eye said, I wouldn't want to use it in a .303.
Just had a similar situation with a 7-08 and a 139gr Interlock. I'll post about it next week when I am all caught up
TheCoachZed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If people didn't try new things, we'd all be using Brown Bess muskets. Look at how far .223 load development has come in the past 50 years - from supposedly insufficient to kill the VC, to a very viable big game load, if you believe the guys over at RokSlide who are reloading with 77 gr projectiles.
Thanks for your ongoing experimentation @WhelanLad. I know it didn't go how you wanted it to, but there's no point in others getting self righteous about it either. There's a difference between stunt hunting with a known improper load and trying something that should theoretically work, but doesn't.
yeah in a sense, your culture an critters are somewhat indigenous to the Country... we're on another page in that regard Down here... im pro active in that sense in id rather Hunt them, than the Helicopter guy or thermal ground based "professionals" AND city goers waving spotlights around at night.... so yeah, i get alot of private land access to do my Thang.
all the property i do hunt have adequate animals to 'hunt' yet not damage any pasture-
there is not a plethora of female deer,, as u see above..
An whilst i dont get all the stags per say, there is good number for the folks to poach at night of often 'larger' than average deer as i believe in lettin em go lettin em grow-- its a real bugger to see them headless on the road sides near by
now that is one that is hailed as a real Good performer esp out of 7-08 let alone lightning bolts in 7rm! will be keen to read of your experience!
RE the 303- spot on- i recently put a drawn down 170gr .323 > 303 spec , straight through a mature Stag of same species with a similiar placed shot at far less distance with almost textbook performance- it had been going an extra say 500 fps for discussion sake.
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it!
You're welcome- I'm seeing enough interest from not only Canada, america but also the UK in viewing of this little round- so when these videos do go public, im sure it will aid someones choice in projectiles for deer or pig? etc-
ill create a few more videos as the seasons change, certainly not writing off the Speer 150 right now, just very very suprised!
- Location
- West Central Alberta
yeah in a sense, your culture an critters are somewhat indigenous to the Country... we're on another page in that regard Down here... im pro active in that sense in id rather Hunt them, than the Helicopter guy or thermal ground based "professionals" AND city goers waving spotlights around at night.... so yeah, i get alot of private land access to do my Thang.
all the property i do hunt have adequate animals to 'hunt' yet not damage any pasture-
there is not a plethora of female deer,, as u see above..
An whilst i dont get all the stags per say, there is good number for the folks to poach at night of often 'larger' than average deer as i believe in lettin em go lettin em grow-- its a real bugger to see them headless on the road sides near by
Right on buddy and I hope you find a good load that will drop them in their tracks.
pic is just for showing off a little bit... lol
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dgradinaru
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- British Columbia
I've used the Hot-cors in 8mm on a couple deer and one bear. 150, 170, 200gr. All preformed well. The animals dropped on the spot, penetration and expansion seemed good, even recovered one, if i recall, picture perfect mushroom and 70ish % weight retention. Ill have to take a couple pictures and weigh the bullet.
I'm actually surprised the 150gr .311" preformed like that.
I'm actually surprised the 150gr .311" preformed like that.
If that was a Speer Hotcor you used, I'm not surprised by it's performance at all. Here is a 180gr .311 Hotcor fired from a .303 Epps into a huge bodied, old mule deer buck at about 250yds. Not much left of it and poor penetration. Last time I used them and they're the bullet that started me on the path of researching and then using premium bullets. I know the 123gr TSX is almost unobtanium at this time but I would highly recommend it for the 7.62x39. It's a game changer in my experience. We have only ever recovered one of them and it was fired into a whitetail buck at about 75yds quartering towards and it was stopped just under the hide in the opposite rear quarter.
The Speer is on the right. Not sure what the one on the left side is or what I recovered it from but it was horrible as well.
I'm adding this pic of the one 123gr TSX we've recovered. It still weighs 123gr and penetrated a lot of deer.
The Speer is on the right. Not sure what the one on the left side is or what I recovered it from but it was horrible as well.
I'm adding this pic of the one 123gr TSX we've recovered. It still weighs 123gr and penetrated a lot of deer.
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dgradinaru
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- British Columbia
Here is my 8mm 200gr hot cor. Shot was 20 yards away frontal chest shot on a whitetail buck. Penetration was great and it held up pretty good considering the range and velocity @ 2550 fps. Weighed 126gr. 63% weight retention. For a cup and core i think it did its job pretty good.
Out of all the cup and core bullets i've used, my worst experience was with Sierra Gamekings in 6.5mm 140gr, that batch of bullets would disintegrate on impact and cause flesh wounds on shoulder shots. This was happening at modest velocities @ 2650 fps and from ranges of 50-250yards.
Out of all the cup and core bullets i've used, my worst experience was with Sierra Gamekings in 6.5mm 140gr, that batch of bullets would disintegrate on impact and cause flesh wounds on shoulder shots. This was happening at modest velocities @ 2650 fps and from ranges of 50-250yards.
Maybe there is some special requirement in a 7.62x39 that I'm not aware of. Here is a Hornady interbond, 165 grain, fired from a 300wsm into the chest of a large buck at around 100 yards. It retained over 90% of its weight. I don't know if you could get better performance than this.
dgradinaru
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- British Columbia
If that was a Speer Hotcor you used, I'm not surprised by it's performance at all. Here is a 180gr .311 Hotcor fired from a .303 Epps into a huge bodied, old mule deer buck at about 250yds. Not much left of it and poor penetration. Last time I used them and they're the bullet that started me on the path of researching and then using premium bullets. I know the 123gr TSX is almost unobtanium at this time but I would highly recommend it for the 7.62x39. It's a game changer in my experience. We have only ever recovered one of them and it was fired into a whitetail buck at about 75yds quartering towards and it was stopped just under the hide in the opposite rear quarter.
The Speer is on the right. Not sure what the one on the left side is or what I recovered it from but it was horrible as well.
I'm adding this pic of the one 123gr TSX we've recovered. It still weighs 123gr and penetrated a lot of deer.
I too have played around with premium bullets since my bad experience with the sierra gamekings. I recovered two premium bonded bullets that were less than stellar. The other one i recovered was a Barnes TSX which impressed me but my concern is it wont expand reliably at extended ranges past 350 yards as experienced by many hunters who have reported on them.
.338CAL 225gr Interbond at 2750 fps. 56% weight retention. Shot was around 120 yards.
8mm Nosler Accubond 200gr @ 2800 fps. 175 yard shot. Hard rear quartering shot. Penetrated a long ways but lacked expansion. Ill have to weigh it again but if i do recall it weighed around 140gr which would be around 70% retention.
8mm Barnes TSX 180gr @ 2780 fps. 185 yard Frontal chest shot. Expansion was great. 100% weight retained.
I prefer bonded to cup and core but have moved away from them as much as possible. Mediocre weight retention at best from the few I've recovered. Usually they mushroom nicely tho from what I've recovered. Partitions are better than cup and cores for weight retention but of the 3 I've recovered 2 lost the front core and a significant amount of weight obviously. I have shot far, far more game with TSX or TTSX than any other kind of bullet and recovered far less of them. In my experience they penetrate like nothing else (I would imagine the mono bullets from Hornady, Nosler, etc would perform equally well) retain almost all their weight and expand perfectly. Accuracy with them is always outstanding as well.
- Location
- West Central Alberta
I like the look of those Barnes TSX bullets, might have to try some.
You havnt heard??
fair enough, Everyone knows whata Bonded projectile does............. an the Monos.........
but did you expect a "303" 150grain or 308 150gr very standard round, to do that in OP at a whopping speed of , 2000 feet per second?Here are all of the TSX and TTSX that I've ever recovered. From left to right:
120gr TTSX. Fired from a 6.5 Creedmoor into a bull moose at 150yds. Punched a hole in the near side scapula, smashed the spine and ended up in the far side back strap. Retained weight 119.5gr
290gr Spit-fire T-EZ (basically a TTSX designed for muzzleloaders. Recovered from a big bodied mature mule deer buck. Shot distance was about 150yds. Load was 150gr of Triple7 pellets. Smashed the near side scapula, broke the far side scapula and was just under the hide. Retained weight was 287.5gr
123gr TSX designed for the 7.62x39. As mentioned earlier shot distance was about 75yds and penetrated a long way before stopping just under the hide. Retained weight was 123gr
210gr TSX fired from a .338 Federal. This was recovered from a good sized bull elk. Shot was a quartering/frontal shot at about 75yds. Bullet broke the near side shoulder and was found under the hide on the opposite side just ahead of the rear quarter. Retained weight was 210gr
140gr TTSX fired from a 7x64 Brenneke. Bull moose at about 60 or 70yds maybe. Broke the near shoulder, clipped the far scapula and was just under the hide. This one sheared off 2 petals going through the bone and lost a bit of weight but still retained 125grs.
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saskgunowner101
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- near Prince Albert
I wouldn't have expected that from any cup n core at that velocity. I'm not sure if MV is 2100 or if that's the rough velocity at 180 meters, but wow, that's a bullet failure.
