Rumors of a Spring Election

koesdibyo said:
Lol.
Liberals - take guns away
NDP - take guns away
CPC - had several years to do things to protect firearms owners, and did the bare minimum at the end of the term to appease gun owners and bait them for the next round kf votes/promises. And the current batch of CPc leaders vocalized their support of adding restrictions (and only the super duper privy CPC know-it-alls knew this was a decoy to actually promote firearms)
PPC - support firearms owners

Yup... sure is the PPC voters fault.

Pretty sure I've seen this argument somewhere before... oh right, it was also my fault others covid 'vaccines' didn't work because I didn't get one.

That being said. I will be voting for PP because he seems genuinely like a Conservative... and not a Liberal in a different colour
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For what it's worth, so far all we've had are promises from the PPC. We have not had an opportunity to witness any action from them after 2 elections because to vote on things and be relevant you need to actually win a damn seat. They can promise anything they want, hell, maybe even a promise to give each person $1 million too. But unless they get elected and form a government, you won't see a single cent. Making promises is the easy part. Winning an election is the hard part.
 
seth said:
Step One: Convince your drunk uncle to stop splitting the vote by voting PPC.

I don't care how much you think the CPC is Lib Lite, the PPC will never form government in today's Canada.

Hold your nose and vote for PP - it's the only way we take down Trudeau.
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This.
 
misher said:
Full stop, Canadian Conservatives need to shut up the religious bible thumping chunk of the party. A win with compromise is better than a Liberal government. Canadians can accept a Progressive value Fiscal Conservative government. They cannot accept a social conservative government. A environmental progressive conservative government would definitely win. In the end Trudeau's managed to seem environmentally friendly while barely doing more for the environment than Harper. Learn from Obama, put the children in cages but make it look good.
The right wing in Canada needs to stand for freedom and democracy, not the bible. That also includes being pro LGBT, anti-racist, etc. The right should stand for freedom which also includes the freedom to be any gender you want and the freedom to be any race you want. That does sometimes result in us not forcing people to have 3 gender bathrooms and that can be labelled as anti-LGBT. We need to make it clear that freedom has benefits and costs and the benefits outweigh the costs.

We also need to better emphasize Trudeau's mistakes instead of letting them shift this into a debate on abortion.

The freedom convoy protest discussion has focused too much on the convoy rather than how it was treated versus the violent pipeline protests in BC.

The Conservative party needs a strong leader who can recognize reality and compromise. Harper did this somewhat as did Obama and O'Toole. Pierre can hopefully do this. Kiss a man if you have to.

Also we need to kill any votes for the PPC. People need to vote to win instead of voting for the party that most matches what they support. PPC votes moving to the CPC would make a big difference and PPC voters definitely prefer a CPC government. The Liberals win because a lot of NDP voters vote Liberal to ensure a win.

PS: CPC needs to address the big issues. Promise to get every homeless person into a facility (make it illegal to allow a person to stay on the street). Pursue making a Caribbean island Canada's Hawaii so Canadians get easy vacations+sun+parties, improve freedom of speech+social media platforms so Canadians can tweet easier, offer large incentives to get an electric car manufacturer here, Pursue CANZUK and closer things with the EU (Canadians love the EU), etc.

Vacations, homeless, social media, things that will steal voters from other parties.
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Other than where to place our votes there isn't any mention of what the gun community can do to change our image and give the CPC political currency to spend on our behalf.

You mention homelessness - gunnies across Canada very vocally and visibly giving volunteer hours in support of Habitat for Humanity. Getting out in large numbers to contribute skills in carpentry, electrical, plumbing etc. Publicize it through social media until the MSM is forced to pick up the story and publish it.

Similar efforts in mental health and food banks and for Youth at Risk ................................

The "reality" that we have to recognize is that as the urban / rural mix of the country changes and our numbers dwindle in absolute and relative terms, we have to become louder, prouder and different from our lazy, arrogant, in-their-face independent self in order to carve out a lasting place in society.

Change or whither away.

The shame of it all is that our orgs refuse to budge from their traditional tools and much of this outreach is already in place. To start changeing all that needs to be done is to collect and publicize what's already happening. Large corporations do it but we're not smart enough or coordinated enough to copy success.
 
squidxm said:
For what it's worth, so far all we've had are promises from the PPC. We have not had an opportunity to witness any action from them after 2 elections because to vote on things and be relevant you need to actually win a damn seat. They can promise anything they want, hell, maybe even a promise to give each person $1 million too. But unless they get elected and form a government, you won't see a single cent. Making promises is the easy part. Winning an election is the hard part.
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And here we have the double edged sword.

We KNOW the current batch of politicians are merely corrupt.

Unfortunately, the CPC have proven themselves liars time and time again.
The Liberals are at least forthcoming in their intent on firearms. They're not without their lies, but their lies are to their supporters - and when comparing apples to apples, it appears the Liberals have better follow through on their promises.
They still stand to destroy Canada, as their ideologies and follow through are detrimental...but they at least follow through.

CPC has poor historical follow through, and being lied to so many times has burnt bridges. Factor in the added wokeness of the past couple leaders and you should be able to see why a new party was formed because many have grown fed up.

The double edged sword is the CPC Junkies werent willing to abandon the ship when the Toole and Sheer drove it head on into an iceberg to sink it.

So yes, realistically the PPC have no shot... and that is because of the stubbornness of the CPC Junkies that hold onto the belief that sinking slowly is somehow better than sinking quickly (Liberals at the helm).
You are also right it's easy to make promises. The biggest argument against the PPC is that they wouldn't follow through with their promises - but since there is no historical past practice, this is unknown. Playing devils advocate... what IF they did follow through with all their promises for pro-freedom and pro-firearms?

I don't support the Liberals, but I must admit watching the fire burn and getting closer to rock bottom so we can rebuild within my and my families lifetime outweighs supporting Liberal-lites and riding out the duration of living in a ####hole before hitting bottom after I'm gone.

Once again, you are right... winning an election is hard, especially in these times with a retarded populous. So perhaps the CPC Junkies should also heed that warning that winning an election is HARD. It comes from trust from the supporters... which as an oxymoron I've heard the fault for the election loss is because the PPC, but simultaneously the PPC don't matter.

Make up your mind. Do you want the PPC voters back? Or Don't you?

As I explained, I'm okay with watching the ship burn until the CPC figures it out (which it now looks like they may have by finally getting a decent leader), vs having my rights eroded away regardless under Liberals, NDP or CPC-Liberals.
 
All these replies analyzing the effectiveness of the Conservatives, or lack thereof, and the merits of the PPC, or lack thereof, are all well and good for discussion among us righties, but they serve little purpose in achieving the objective we're all after - toppling the Tyrant. Unless this discussion causes another solution to materialize, the ONLY way is to secure as many Conservative votes as humanly possible to win the next election, hopefully with a majority. Period. Full stop.
 
A ppc vote only serves to split the right, and benefits the left. Disenfranchised ppc voters would better serve their agenda by working within the larger, existing party than hanging out in the sideshow.
 
Donate money to hopeless NDP ridings and hope they siphon off votes from the Liberals? It worked in Manitoba 40 years ago.
 
And speaking of the NDP, I apparently got on their mailing list thanks to my email to Singh, and this just arrived in my inbox...

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"Thank you for writing to share your views regarding the recently proposed amendments to Bill C-21.

Since the Liberals introduced this last-minute change to their firearms bill — introduced without New Democrats knowledge or consent — many hunters have raised concerns regarding the potential impact of these changes. We are taking these concerns very seriously and are pressing the government for clarity on how this will impact hunters.

The goal of this legislation was to get dangerous handguns off our streets, not criminalize hunters. Again, we will continue to press the Liberals to ensure that hunters, farmers, and Indigenous people are not targeted by these changes.

What's more, we will not support amendments to the Bill that ban guns primarily used for hunting or protecting farm animals from predators. We will not support amendments to the Bill that do not respect treaty rights and the rights of Indigenous people.

There is still time to do this right and you can rest assured that your concerns will inform our actions on this important legislation.

Best regards,

NDP Team"

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So I'm thinking maybe this over the top amendment is the Tyrant's last wedge issue, so he can claim in the next (hopefully soon) election that both the Conservatives and the NDP want children to die in the streets and only the Liars can protect them. Seriously, what other issues can they use? Not the economy. Not health care. Not international relations. Not inflation or affordability. If the NDP pull the plug on the unholy alliance, what better reason could the Liars love to have than the NDP withdrawing support to protect our guns? The Liars would LOVE to have that as a wedge issue, in the absence of anything else.
 
Outlawpilots said:
And speaking of the NDP, I apparently got on their mailing list thanks to my email to Singh, and this just arrived in my inbox...

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"Thank you for writing to share your views regarding the recently proposed amendments to Bill C-21.

Since the Liberals introduced this last-minute change to their firearms bill — introduced without New Democrats knowledge or consent — many hunters have raised concerns regarding the potential impact of these changes. We are taking these concerns very seriously and are pressing the government for clarity on how this will impact hunters.

The goal of this legislation was to get dangerous handguns off our streets, not criminalize hunters. Again, we will continue to press the Liberals to ensure that hunters, farmers, and Indigenous people are not targeted by these changes.

What's more, we will not support amendments to the Bill that ban guns primarily used for hunting or protecting farm animals from predators. We will not support amendments to the Bill that do not respect treaty rights and the rights of Indigenous people.

There is still time to do this right and you can rest assured that your concerns will inform our actions on this important legislation.

Best regards,

NDP Team"

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So I'm thinking maybe this over the top amendment is the Tyrant's last wedge issue, so he can claim in the next (hopefully soon) election that both the Conservatives and the NDP want children to die in the streets and only the Liars can protect them. Seriously, what other issues can they use? Not the economy. Not health care. Not international relations. Not inflation or affordability. If the NDP pull the plug on the unholy alliance, what better reason could the Liars love to have than the NDP withdrawing support to protect our guns? The Liars would LOVE to have that as a wedge issue, in the absence of anything else.
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I don't see anything about sports shooters here...
 
We could be seeing the NDP move into an actual centrist position in real time. The Liberals seem to be racing towards the farthest of the far left as fast as they possibly can. The NDP will gain hugely this election if they try to replace the liberals as the perceived "centrist" party.
 
ravenzoom said:
I don't see anything about sports shooters here...
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You won't see sport shooters mentioned because neither the Liberals nor NDP care about sport shooting. Neither party supports the private ownership of handguns and semi-automatic rifles/shotguns that look anything like what you'd see in a Call of Duty videogame. That's what they mean by "assault-style". We're witnessing the reframing of Canadian firearms politics in real time. Handguns are gone, as are the AR15 and anything "assault-like". Those are what "sports shooters" use, and sports shooting isn't "necessary" in the eyes of middle-aged urban and suburban women (a voter demographic the Conservatives would love to increase their share of). That whole debate has disappeared. You'll notice that sport shooters are no longer being mentioned, even by most of the Conservatives. It's all about hunters and farmers. I expect that's what we'll see going into the future. Conservatives trying to brand themselves as the best party on economics, all the while pushing for the continued firearms rights of farmers and hunters, as they're a foundational part of Canadian heritage. That sounds good, and it makes them much more "reasonable" to middle-aged suburban and urban women in larger cities. I expect to see compromise on semi-automatic shotguns and rifles that said middle-aged women would imagine a hunter or farmer would carry around (wood stock, very "traditional" looking, probably limited to three or four rounds by default, a 20-22 inch barrel minimum), but you'll never see stuff like the 180bs and X95s exempted. Those are for sure gone, as are handguns. The Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 Tactical will be gone in a future ban, as soon as the Liberals see another scandal pop up. Those models are very easily labelled "assault-style" shotguns, and when compared to some three-round wood stock model, the 95% who don't understand firearms will go along with it. The Liberals went too wide this time, but they'll learn, if they haven't already.

Without anything approaching self-defense as an open political issue (so you can argue on solid ground for access to handguns and maybe something like an AR15), I can't see handguns or AR15s ever coming back. Unfortunately, not enough people care about sport shooters.

It makes me wonder if the Conservatives aren't a little bit happy this is happening. In a way, if they're forced to drop handguns and semi-automatic "assault" rifles from their platform, the rest of their platform instantly becomes a lot more palatable to regular people.
 
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FWIW, the NDP has come out against the recent amendment being introduced without debate, agreeing with the CPC that it affects hunters and indigenous peoples. Not perfect, but better than blind obedience.
 
BEARSLOOKOUT said:
You won't see sport shooters mentioned because neither the Liberals nor NDP care about sport shooting. Neither party supports the private ownership of handguns and semi-automatic rifles/shotguns that look anything like what you'd see in a Call of Duty videogame. That's what they mean by "assault-style". We're witnessing the reframing of Canadian firearms politics in real time. Handguns are gone, as are the AR15 and anything "assault-like". Those are what "sports shooters" use, and sports shooting isn't "necessary" in the eyes of middle-aged urban and suburban women (a voter demographic the Conservatives would love to increase their share of). That whole debate has disappeared. You'll notice that sport shooters are no longer being mentioned, even by most of the Conservatives. It's all about hunters and farmers. I expect that's what we'll see going into the future. Conservatives trying to brand themselves as the best party on economics, all the while pushing for the continued firearms rights of farmers and hunters, as they're a foundational part of Canadian heritage. That sounds good, and it makes them much more "reasonable" to middle-aged suburban and urban women in larger cities. I expect to see compromise on semi-automatic shotguns and rifles that said middle-aged women would imagine a hunter or farmer would carry around (wood stock, very "traditional" looking, probably limited to three or four rounds by default, a 20-22 inch barrel minimum), but you'll never see stuff like the 180bs and X95s exempted. Those are for sure gone, as are handguns. The Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 Tactical will be gone in a future ban, as soon as the Liberals see another scandal pop up. Those models are very easily labelled "assault-style" shotguns, and when compared to some three-round wood stock model, the 95% who don't understand firearms will go along with it. The Liberals went too wide this time, but they'll learn, if they haven't already.

Without anything approaching self-defense as an open political issue (so you can argue on solid ground for access to handguns and maybe something like an AR15), I can't see handguns or AR15s ever coming back. Unfortunately, not enough people care about sport shooters.

It makes me wonder if the Conservatives aren't a little bit happy this is happening. In a way, if they're forced to drop handguns and semi-automatic "assault" rifles from their platform, the rest of their platform instantly becomes a lot more palatable to regular people.
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Great post, I have to agree with you.
 
So Liberals don't need NDP to prop them up.
Bloc will do fine to take them over 170 majority to pass this garbage.
Quebecers need to spam the *&% out of local newspapers in BLOC held ridings with letters to editor and Ads.

If you are writing to NDCCP ask them how they will like 4th place or worse after next election when the Lieberals get wiped out like Ontarios' Orville Reddenbacker did.
 
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