Weatherbys Mk Vs... thoughts?

huntingfamily said:
You're missing a big part in your statement.
This is the heading pertaining to the Weatherby Mark V and many others...
"96. Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this schedule or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the:"
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Well that depends. Watch the Runkle analysis on youtube for a legal breakdown. The amendment gives the RCMP the responsibility to monitor for and to ban any variant of a listed firearm. So basically ,the MkV and Ruger No.1 are subject to potential variant rulings by the RCMP, effectively banning all of them. There is precedent for the RCMP interpreting things this way too, it's not just an idle musing. Great examples are .22 cal versions with cosmetic similarities to other guns - banned as variants. The same can be true, of say, a .30-06 Weatherby Mark V. Nothing in the act discourages the horse cops from doing so.
 
8 ball said:
Wow, talk about everyone getting their knickers in a knot over nothing. Guys, the new OIC stuff has been in place for over 2 years already pertaining to over 20mm bores and 10,000 joules. Anyone able to log into the FRT can see that Ruger No 1's, Weatherby Mk V's and so on are only prohibited if chambered in the specific caliber that is too high of muzzle energy. All the "regular" under 10,000 joules cartridges are still non restricted.
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nope. Now that they are "named" rifles, they are now subject to RCMP variant rulings. Watch the Runkle video for an actual legal analysis from someone who would know.
 
Claven2 said:
Well that depends. Watch the Runkle analysis on youtube for a legal breakdown. The amendment gives the RCMP the responsibility to monitor for and to ban any variant of a listed firearm. So basically ,the MkV and Ruger No.1 are subject to potential variant rulings by the RCMP, effectively banning all of them. There is precedent for the RCMP interpreting things this way too, it's not just an idle musing. Great examples are .22 cal versions with cosmetic similarities to other guns - banned as variants. The same can be true, of say, a .30-06 Weatherby Mark V. Nothing in the act discourages the horse cops from doing so.
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Correct, and it is not beyond the RCMP to name other makes to be variants of these named models in their last minute edit of C-21
 
The Weatherby Mark V's are wonderful rifles and their cartridge are fantastic! Roy Weatherby was many decades ahead, and still is with his cartridges.
 
track said:
The Weatherby Mark V's are wonderful rifles and their cartridge are fantastic! Roy Weatherby was many decades ahead, and still is with his cartridges.
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The proof is in the pudding. They remain obscure and relatively unused cartridges. Technically they were an abject failure.
 
There seems to be quite a few Vanguard 257's around, probably a distant 3rd to the 7mm RM and 300 Winchester Mag in Magnum Popularity. And IMO the 300 Wby is more common than the 338 Winchester.
 
All of my Mark V's shoot great (.50" and less) along with custom rifles chambered in their cartridges. They worked flawlessly, except on one occasion, it was an old German Made Mark V, trigger went fubar while hunting. They are fast and flat shooting cartridges, point plank is 400+ yards with most of them, Chuck.
 
track said:
All of my Mark V's shoot great (.50" and less) along with custom rifles chambered in their cartridges. They worked flawlessly, except on one occasion, it was an old German Made Mark V, trigger went fubar while hunting. They are fast and flat shooting cartridges, point plank is 400+ yards with most of them, Chuck.
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So why didn’t they catch on?
 
pathfinder76 said:
So why didn’t they catch on?
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Very expensive. They were out of my price range when I was a young adult, and still expensive, except I can now afford them. Case in point, everything is so damn expensive, a 50 count of Nosler Accubonds are up between $60 to $85, nuts! To find bullets, well that 's another story.
 
pathfinder76 said:
The proof is in the pudding. They remain obscure and relatively unused cartridges. Technically they were an abject failure.
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Ask anyone who hunts large dangerous game if they’re a failure. Still the cartridges by which most are judged against. Many are still the best performers in their calibre and have been since they’re introduction. Take a 257 on a sheep or goat hunt and tell me what a technical failure they are. Pretty sure anyone that’s been to one of the African countries for a hunt wouldn’t mind toting any of the Weatherby cartridges.
 
Longstud said:
Ask anyone who hunts large dangerous game if they’re a failure. Still the cartridges by which most are judged against. Many are still the best performers in their calibre and have been since they’re introduction. Take a 257 on a sheep or goat hunt and tell me what a technical failure they are. Pretty sure anyone that’s been to one of the African countries for a hunt wouldn’t mind toting any of the Weatherby cartridges.
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I’m not saying they are bad cartridges. I’m saying they are a commercial failure. And being the fastest doesn’t make them the best either.

I’d also suspect the percentage of weatherby cartridges seen in Africa, compared to others, is minuscule.
 
track said:
Very expensive. They were out of my price range when I was a young adult, and still expensive, except I can now afford them. Case in point, everything is so damn expensive, a 50 count of Nosler Accubonds are up between $60 to $85, nuts! To find bullets, well that 's another story.
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The cartridge head stamp, for all intents and purposes, does not increase cost.
 
Weatherby is arguably the leader in factory lightweight hunting rifles now. They don’t really combine well with the old-school, high horsepower cartridges.
 
I collected MkV's for a while, they were all Japanese Howa made rifles and the ones I fired shot well. The German rifles had trigger housings that could crack and I never cared for the US made guns, they seemed to have cheapened them so I think the Howa MkV's were the best. I've also had a couple of Vanguards and they are good shooters, kinda heavy but good rifles.
The only MkV I kept is chambered for 270 Wby which is (I think) possibly Weatherby's best cartridge.
 
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