Sunshine On My Prohibs Makes Me Happy..... Updt Pics Post 56 - ###y Submachine Guns!
- Thread starter Bartok5
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Be happy in your youth! I'd trade all of 'em in a heartbeat to be 23 again....
OK, you asked nicely, so here they are - some Cold War "Assault Rifles" of the latter 20th Century, several of which were contenders for the current Canadian Service Rifle durinig the Small Arms Replacement Programme (SARP) Trials which followed the NATO Cold Weather 5.56mm Trials of the late 1970s. Several of these designs are still in current military service with various national military and/or police forces. The rifles below are mostly Military-Style-Semi-Automatic (MSSA) rifles which became increasingly popular in the late 1970s and into the 1980s. That said, the Galil SAR is a genuine converted-automatic milsurp. The rifles are listed in their approximate order of fielding:
US Armalite AR-180
Israeli Galil Automatic Rifle Machinegun (ARM)
Israeli Galil Short Automatic Rifle (SAR)
Belgian FN Carbine (FNC)
Austrian Amee Universal Gewehr (AUG) / Sturmgewehr 77 (Stg 77)
German Heckler & Koch G33/93
Swiss SIG 550
Next up in a few days' time - Submachineguns and PCCs....
US Armalite AR-180
Israeli Galil Automatic Rifle Machinegun (ARM)
Israeli Galil Short Automatic Rifle (SAR)
Belgian FN Carbine (FNC)
Austrian Amee Universal Gewehr (AUG) / Sturmgewehr 77 (Stg 77)
German Heckler & Koch G33/93
Swiss SIG 550
Next up in a few days' time - Submachineguns and PCCs....
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tenringbound
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Atlantic Canada
Awesome collection! I really wish I had been into guns instead of cars and girls in the ‘90’s. Even had a guy try to sell me his AK underfolder but I wasn’t interested ��
Israeli Galil Short Automatic Rifle (SAR)
Of ALL the guns I didn't buy back in the day, THIS is the one that hurts most. I've always wanted one of these. Gorgeous.
+1.
the aug is to be shot to understand the concept. thank you bartok to bring some sunshine in the darkroom.
Absolutely! The FNC is an interesting design that came out of Fabrique Nationale de Guerre in Herstal, Belgium during the late 1970's. It was first adopted by Indonesia (Pindad) in 1982, soon after followed by Sweden (AK5) and of course, Belgium. The FNC was indeed one of the frontrunners during the Canadian Small Arms Replacement Programme (SARP) Trials, which closely followed the NATO Cold Weather 5.56mm Ammo Trials conducted in Eastern Canada (CFB Gagetown, NB) during a typical Canadian Winter 1981/82. The Summer troop trials occurred in June of 1982 and the FNC ran neck and neck with the M16A2 for the rifle most favoured by the soldiers conducting live-fire and field training exercises. The FNC apparently finished slightly ahead of the M16A2-designate during the cold weather portion of the Trials, however the Canadian Government could not secure a favourable or cost-effective licensing agreement with FN which would allow for transfer of the Technical Data Package for manufacture of the FNC in Canada by Diemaco as the designated national center for Small Arms Production and Development. Colt USA undercut FN's price and the rest is history. At the end of the day, the performance of the FNC and the M16A2-designate were effectively equal, and all that set them apart were the economics of the manufacturing deal to be worked out at the national government level. The M16A2 actually made far more sense for Canada than the FNC, as the USA's closest ally. It is interesting to note that the Galil rifle was also a contender during the Canadian SARP Trials, but fared less well than the M16 and FNC throughout the process.
The FNC was FN's effort to modernize its production lineup with a rifle chambered in the new NATO-standard 5.56x45mm cartridge. The FNC was the first mass-produced small arm to make use of Robotic fabrication on the assembly line, with key welds for the Rails within the sheet steel Upper Receiver being robotically-welded. These welds are highly visible on the exterior of the FNC Upper Receiver as no effort is made to blend them into the Receiver's surface. The Rifle features a Flash Eliminator and Barrel contoured to fire NATO-standard 22mm Rifle Grenades, and the Gas Block features a Grenade Launching Sight which acts as a Gas System Cut-Off when rotated up into the Grenade firing position. The Gas System of the FNC provides for "Normal" and "Adverse" settings, with the adjustment conveniently made by the Left Thumb of a Right-handed firer, with the switch placed well away from the heat of the Gas Block itself. The Lower Receiver is machined from Billet Aluminum and lacks protective rails around the Magazine Release as well as any chamfering or flaring of the entrance to the Magazine Well, although the lack of these features does not appear to be an issue. The FNC "Para" Model features the excellent, rock-solid, Foldiing Buttstock lifted directly from the FNC's older big brother, the FN FAL Para. The FNC does have some ergonomic shortcomings, as was common for some reason preceeding the 21st Century. For instance, the Change Lever (Safety/Selector) cannot be reached with the Thumb of the firing hand when properly gripping the Pistol Grip. Rather, it is intended that the Change Lever be operated by the Support Hand.
Here is a photo with a bit less surface reflection in it...
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Never say "Never". Being Alberta, all things relating to personal freedom are possible. With the re-lumping of the 12(X) prohib long-guns together with the OIC 2022 prohibs under pending legislation (C21 amendments), that suddenlty puts all prohib long-guns back in what amounts to the same prohib category. Does that mean if we win the privilege of using our 2020 prohibs again, we get to use our 12(X) as well? Possibiiities....
To finish off my photographic contributions to this thread, as promised a few days ago here are my Submachineguns (SMGs) and Pistol-Calibre Carbines (PCCs). I have elected to include my Restricted PCCs in this thread along with the Prohibs since the Gub'mint already knows where they are, and because the selection wouldn't be as complete without them. So without further adieu, here we go...
UK STEN Mk II (1943)
Canadian Arsenals Limited C1 SMG (1959)
Serbian Skorpion M84 PCC
British Sterling Mk 9 Suppressed PCC (No Suppressor Internals)
Belgian Fabrique Nationale UZI SMG - Congolese National Army contract (1977)
USA MAC 11/9 PCC
USA Rock River Arms LAR 9 PCC
USA Kriss Vector 45 PCC
Chile Famae SAF-40 PCC
German Heckler & Koch MP5A3 SMG
German Heckler & Koch UMP-45 PCC
Czech Republic CZ EVO 3 Skorpion PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet Tactical Machine-Pistol 9 (TMP-9) PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet Advanced Police Carbine 9 (APC 9) PCC
USA Angstadt Arms UDP-9 PCC
Germany SIG MPX PCC
USA Freedom Ordnance FX 9 PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet SIG P320 PDW PCC (Chassis)
UK STEN Mk II (1943)
Canadian Arsenals Limited C1 SMG (1959)
Serbian Skorpion M84 PCC
British Sterling Mk 9 Suppressed PCC (No Suppressor Internals)
Belgian Fabrique Nationale UZI SMG - Congolese National Army contract (1977)
USA MAC 11/9 PCC
USA Rock River Arms LAR 9 PCC
USA Kriss Vector 45 PCC
Chile Famae SAF-40 PCC
German Heckler & Koch MP5A3 SMG
German Heckler & Koch UMP-45 PCC
Czech Republic CZ EVO 3 Skorpion PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet Tactical Machine-Pistol 9 (TMP-9) PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet Advanced Police Carbine 9 (APC 9) PCC
USA Angstadt Arms UDP-9 PCC
Germany SIG MPX PCC
USA Freedom Ordnance FX 9 PCC
Switzerland Brugger + Thomet SIG P320 PDW PCC (Chassis)
Mark, your collection is truly awe-inspiring! I've noticed that most of your rifles/PCCs have an optic of some sort on them, including some I would've thought went prohib before those optics would've been available (thinking the C1 and Uzi). Are those optics just for show or could you still get ATTs for those firearms and you actually got to shoot them with the optics on? I'm not well-versed on when they stopped issuing ATTs for prhibs since I'm pretty sure I'm too young to ever have been able to own any. Would be pretty cool to shoot an Uzi or Mac-11 with a red dot!
tonykimatpl
Member
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- Ottawa and Vancouver
Absolutely pristine collection Mark, nice pics! To this day the most beautiful collection I've had the pleasure of seeing and handling. You are a true legend of a gun nut, sir. Thank you for the once in a lifetime opportunity.
