Help in Choosing a rifle

The m-loc forearm is worth a hundred bucks if you decide to buy this gun. Entry level for sure. What are you going to do with the gun and let that guide your choice. For the moneybi think the base model Ruger is a better buy but that I just my opinion for what I want in a gun.

Take Care
Bob
 
Yes that's what is often called the "Base" Ruger PCC.

Currently 3 models of Ruger PCC: "Base" ~$1000, "M-Lok" (shares the Base stock but has M-Lok forend) ~$1100, "Chassis" (M-Lok forend, adjustable stock, enhanced chassis) ~$1300. I'd say buy the "Chassis" model. Why? Because it can be downgraded to "M-Lok" or "Base" if wanted (while getting all extra money back out on used market for unwanted parts - these are rare to see being sold off), whereas a "Base" cannot be easily upgraded to a "Chassis" (unless going with Tandemkross aftermarket parts for a semi-equivalent build). Choices choices!
 
The base model as shown will do everything the others will do. The m -loc looks cool but it sure makes a heavy gun heavier heavier on the front end. I have a bi-pod mounted on my PCC with a 1x5 inexpensive scope on it that will co-witness with the irons. I could take off the bi-pod and a mount a light if I chose to. The gun might even see some IDPA time. If you don't intend to shoot competitions regularly the base model needs nothing added to be a very good shooter. Quality build that is reliable. What else does the average Joe need. New to shooting the base model is an excellent choice.
 
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joemanco said:
Yes that's what is often called the "Base" Ruger PCC.

Currently 3 models of Ruger PCC: "Base" ~$1000, "M-Lok" (shares the Base stock but has M-Lok forend) ~$1100, "Chassis" (M-Lok forend, adjustable stock, enhanced chassis) ~$1300. I'd say buy the "Chassis" model. Why? Because it can be downgraded to "M-Lok" or "Base" if wanted (while getting all extra money back out on used market for unwanted parts - these are rare to see being sold off), whereas a "Base" cannot be easily upgraded to a "Chassis" (unless going with Tandemkross aftermarket parts for a semi-equivalent build). Choices choices!
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Thanks for explaining it. it makes a lot more sense.

Canuck44 said:
The base model as shown will do everything the others will do. The m -loc looks cool but it sure makes a heavy gun heavier heavier on the front end. I have a bi-pod mounted on my PCC with a 1x5 inexpensive scope on it that will co-witness with the scope. I could take off the bi-pod and a mount a light if I chose to. The gun might even see some IDPA time. If yo don't intend to shoot competitions regularly the base model needs nothing added to be a very good shooter. Quality build that is reliable. What else does the average Joe need. New to shooting the base model is an excellent choice.
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Now considering Just Rust carbine comes with a basic red dot and m-lok etc for 1100, buying the chasis version at 1300 or buying the base version at 999 is it worth ?

in what sense ruger will perform better than Just right carbine ?
 
joemanco said:
Yes that's what is often called the "Base" Ruger PCC.

Currently 3 models of Ruger PCC: "Base" ~$1000, "M-Lok" (shares the Base stock but has M-Lok forend) ~$1100, "Chassis" (M-Lok forend, adjustable stock, enhanced chassis) ~$1300. I'd say buy the "Chassis" model. Why? Because it can be downgraded to "M-Lok" or "Base" if wanted (while getting all extra money back out on used market for unwanted parts - these are rare to see being sold off), whereas a "Base" cannot be easily upgraded to a "Chassis" (unless going with Tandemkross aftermarket parts for a semi-equivalent build). Choices choices!
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I do believe there are at least 3 aftermarket chassis options for the Ruger at this point, at varying price ranges. Plus the Magpul backpacker stock as another option. I would expect the Ruger aftermarket to only grow too, its going to be like the 9mm version of the 10/22 in that regard I think.
 
killingspree said:
...in what sense ruger will perform better than Just right carbine ?
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They feel and handle differently, and the ergonomics are different. Try to handle them side by side and you'll quickly see if you have a preference.

In terms of features, there are pros and cons with each. The Ruger has a last round bolt hold open feature, which most people appreciate. It also has iron sights built in.

And I have to ask: What's with your username?
 
The fact the Ruger has the bolt open feature when the JR does not, makes the choice easy. That feature alone should be all the reason to buy the Ruger.

Take Care
Bob
 
killingspree said:
interesting option. https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.co...c-backpacker-stock--9mm-18-6--fde-19136-.html
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I bought the base model Ruger and then swapped into that stock.
By getting it already done you save about $200 vs getting them separate

As i mentioned earlier I have the Ruger (in this backpacker config) and the JR

They are both great and neither is a bad choice, but they are set up for slightly different uses

If you want compact and VERY reliable get the Ruger
If you AR style and already set up in tatical gear get the JR

or do what I did and GET BOTH :)
 
alpining said:
They feel and handle differently, and the ergonomics are different. Try to handle them side by side and you'll quickly see if you have a preference.

In terms of features, there are pros and cons with each. The Ruger has a last round bolt hold open feature, which most people appreciate. It also has iron sights built in.

And I have to ask: What's with your username?
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i used to play Counter strike with friends during college and one of the mod of the cs1.6 will announce killingspree when multiple targets were killed. i just took that as username and it was quite unique for me to use across the online world. lol.

i know .. guns and that username is not a right combination :D
 
Jmcc said:
I bought the base model Ruger and then swapped into that stock.
By getting it already done you save about $200 vs getting them separate

As i mentioned earlier I have the Ruger (in this backpacker config) and the JR

They are both great and neither is a bad choice, but they are set up for slightly different uses

If you want compact and VERY reliable get the Ruger
If you AR style and already set up in tatical gear get the JR

or do what I did and GET BOTH :)
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yes i like that model (base + magpull stock) but i will be spending little more for the sight .. whereas for 1000 bucks i get the JR elite takedown model with sight itself. Thats the only thing. im going to store to try it out.
 
killingspree said:
...i know .. guns and that username is not a right combination :D
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Ah, I see. I'm sure you know that gun owners have a serious public image problem as it is, and this is a public forum. Delicate flowers like myself are surprised that CGN would even allow such a spicy username.


killingspree said:
.... im going to store to try it out.
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Smart!

FWIW, I haven't seen much info regarding the CT red dot that the JRC comes with. Hard to say how much value it adds to the package, but at the very least it should be a usable sight for however long it lasts.
 
Canuck44 said:
The fact the Ruger has the bolt open feature when the JR does not, makes the choice easy. That feature alone should be all the reason to buy the Ruger.

Take Care
Bob
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So... I get that it's a convenient visual/weight-based cue that your magazine is empty to have the bolt hold-open. You also don't get the terrible "click" on an empty chamber, which will save a tiny bit of wear and tear on your firing pin. Are there other safety/operational benefits to having a bolt hold open?

I ask because the Crusader 9 9mm upper doesn't have a hold open feature either (the 5.56mm Sentinel upper does), but it never struck me as a feature that was really necessary or crucial, just a "nice to have".

I guess from a tactical shooting / 3 gun point of view, you can swap the magazine and hit the bolt release instead of using the charging handle again?
 
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killingspree said:
yes i like that model (base + magpull stock) but i will be spending little more for the sight .. whereas for 1000 bucks i get the JR elite takedown model with sight itself. Thats the only thing. im going to store to try it out.
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technically you don't need any optic with that Ruger configuration as it has iron sights vs the JR that doesn't. You can add them easily if you want though. Just sayin that its a choice :)

But yes, the best answer is always hold them in your hands and make the call then !!
 
MacPapRonin said:
... Are there other safety/operational benefits to having a bolt hold open?...
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No, it is not necessary. Many popular and well-respected firearms don't have it (e.g. AK platform rifles).

When working properly, it's never a bad thing. Like you said, it makes reloading from an empty chamber faster, and it gives you an indicator that you're out of ammunition. Both are clear advantages in common gun games, and both are nice features to have outside of competition.

Dry firing doesn't come into it as it is generally a non issue for modern centerfire firearms.
 
alpining said:
No, it is not necessary. Many popular and well-respected firearms don't have it (e.g. AK platform rifles).

When working properly, it's never a bad thing. Like you said, it makes reloading from an empty chamber faster, and it gives you an indicator that you're out of ammunition. Both are clear advantages in common gun games, and both are nice features to have outside of competition.

Dry firing doesn't come into it as it is generally a non issue for modern centerfire firearms.
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Thanks for the insight. The way that user Canuck44 spoke about it, I got the sense that perhaps there was something to it that I wasn't thinking of.
 
Haha, oops, I see that I basically just paraphrased your post, sorry. Maybe someone will post something that actually adds to the conversation!

I will say that last-round-bolt-hold-open designs on straight blowback firearms like these can be finicky, and sometimes the bolt release levers don't work well at all.
 
MacPapRonin said:
So... I get that it's a convenient visual/weight-based cue that your magazine is empty to have the bolt hold-open. You also don't get the terrible "click" on an empty chamber, which will save a tiny bit of wear and tear on your firing pin. Are there other safety/operational benefits to having a bolt hold open?

I ask because the Crusader 9 9mm upper doesn't have a hold open feature either (the 5.56mm Sentinel upper does), but it never struck me as a feature that was really necessary or crucial, just a "nice to have".

I guess from a tactical shooting / 3 gun point of view, you can swap the magazine and hit the bolt release instead of using the charging handle again?
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On the guns I have that have it, its nice, but since I don't race its not a deal breaker for me

It's like power windows and cruise control. I enjoy them and would pay a little bit more to have it but if it was the only thing missing from a gun i really liked otherwise i wouldn't pass it over for just that one thing.
 
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