MacPapRonin
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Oh, no, not all all. It was helpful to hear it reiterated from a different person's perspective.
Jmcc said:
Also good insight, thank you.
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Help in Choosing a rifle
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Oh, no, not all all. It was helpful to hear it reiterated from a different person's perspective.
Also good insight, thank you.
This! I have manually loaded rounds in Glock mags one day in my life and it will stay that way. The Upupla (sp.) loaders are a serious godsend and makes reloading mags at the range relatively effortless.
If those are the only options that you are considering for 5.56, go with the 9mm options. Ruger and FX9 I have and between the two, Ruger is good to start, whereas FX9 has more of a fun factor for me and has great ergonomics/balance.
I have a WK180 Gen 1.5 - I think there are better options out there (like the X95 and the SL8)
9mm ammo is cheaper and has more options - different grains, styles, makes and models.
Ruger comes in a few configurations but if you get the popular one with MLOK aluminum handguard and adjustable stock, I have found that one a bit front heavy. But it is reliable as can be.
Accessories -
-Eye and ear protection (I'd recommend the Howard Leight Impact Sports over the ears muffs to start).
-If you get any of the above, a decent red dot would be recommended - I'd suggest a good value well regarded red dot - Sig Sauer Romeo 5.
-Probably want to get a nice gun case/range bag - I actually like the soft cases and use the Saviour brand - lots of pockets and storage and different lengths of bag - you can get it on Amazon.
-Probably a good range bag/case - I just use a 50cal Plano polymer case to bring my ammo/muffs/and then include a screwdriver, etc.
-I think this is an underrated item but get a number of chamber flags. Good for overall safety and good practice to use
-Upula mag loader for 9mm
-Extra magazines whatever you end up buying - PMAG are great - I actually don't recommend the OEM Glock mags, but that's just me
-Get some cleaning supplies - there are some universal kits you can use to start - get some patches sized for the caliber you have, and some cleaner - Hoppes 9, G96, any other CLP etc.
-I personally recommend a FAT wrench for torquing stuff down - there are lots of applications for this.
killingspree
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i went to firearmsoutlet and they are moving so they didnt allow me to try any gun. but will do this weekend. But person i spoke to at the store front, suggested ruger over JRC. Also, said the same thing like some mentioned here.
like ruger has peep sight / iron sight and JRC doesnt have.
so i went to gagnon store and they had ruger backpacker (one with mag stock) and i lifted and tried but they didnt have JRC to compare.
gagnon staff said, i can get ruger backpacker + 2 rings (i dont know what he meant.. to attach sling may be?) + plus a scope if interested. but i see ruger has more votes than jrc across the board.
like ruger has peep sight / iron sight and JRC doesnt have.
so i went to gagnon store and they had ruger backpacker (one with mag stock) and i lifted and tried but they didnt have JRC to compare.
gagnon staff said, i can get ruger backpacker + 2 rings (i dont know what he meant.. to attach sling may be?) + plus a scope if interested. but i see ruger has more votes than jrc across the board.
killingspree
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im not sure what happened but now i was told by admin that my account will be deactivated because of my username.
Jeepers, they won't let you just change it? That's a bummer. I guess it's their sandbox... Looks like you haven't posted much since you joined, maybe you flew under the radar until now.
I hope it doesn't put you off of this site, there's a good community here.
Well I am not sure I would describe either IPSC or IDPA as tactical shooting but for any type of action shooting speed comes into play. Inserting a mag quickly and getting your firearm loaded quickly helps in the scoring. Personally I have found recharging the rifle is quicker when you rifle is at bolt lock back and all you have to do is hit a lever to close the bolt. On some carbines the lever/button is easier to hit than others. I have seen folks reload their carbine with the bolt closed only to find the mag was not fully seated and the mag falls out as they bring the carbine back to the horizontal. Mag insertion is easier to fully seat when the bolt is held open from my experience. If you are not ever going to play the games or have no intention of competing in terms of worrying about your score than it really doesn't matter.
Take Care
Bob
Same issue you get with autoloading pistols, and again another reason to use pinned regular capacity mags.
With the bolt locked back, I'm curious if you see magazine over-insertion issues with PCCs in competition. I've never had that type of malfunction so I hadn't thought about it much, but IV8888 had one in his review of the S&W FPC. Other PCCs look like they could be even more prone to that type of malfunction.
For rings he means means the two rings that a scope goes into. The are sold separate from the scope. Usually about $30-$40 value depending... and a scope (Aka, Glass) can go from a few hundred to a few thousand depending....
Most of us just run red dots on the 9mm . those run between $150-$400 (an avg)
They are both good guns whichever you choose. It's like you are trying to pick between the hot blond and the hot brunet. THEY ARE BOTH HOT!
For rings he means means the two rings that a scope goes into. The are sold separate from the scope. Usually about $30-$40 value depending... and a scope (Aka, Glass) can go from a few hundred to a few thousand depending....
Most of us just run red dots on the 9mm . those run between $150-$400 (an avg)
They are both good guns whichever you choose. It's like you are trying to pick between the hot blond and the hot brunet. THEY ARE BOTH HOT!
Makes total sense. yes and he showed the traditional scope and it was about 180 or so.
as im just starting i dont want to spend too much. Any value red dot from here ?
https://www.cabelas.ca/category/red-dot-sights/1479?iso=1
or anything in general ? firearmsoutlet guy told me.. highmount red dot will be good so we can still use the iron sight.
BTW.. this is my new account. i dont know how to deactivate the old account which admin asked me to do voluntarily.
i guess i did in a way. im going to get backpacker ruger. Im sure i wont go wrong with that choice.
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.... Any value red dot from here ?
...or anything in general ? firearmsoutlet guy told me.. highmount red dot will be good so we can still use the iron sight.
BTW.. this is my new account. i dont know how to deactivate the old account which admin asked me to do voluntarily.
....
Glad you got it sorted out.
Lots of good dot options from $150 up, there are many threads on the topic in this subforum and in the optics subforum. Quick version: Decide how much you want to spend and go from there. Or handle a few in person so you can see what your $ gets you. I'd recommend a tube style red dot with an enclosed emitter, rather than the pistol style with the open emitter.
It's hard to argue with the Sig Romeo5, often comes on sale at Cabelas for $180. Even at regular retail, it's still excellent value. It has the shake awake feature, which you usually have to spend much more to get.
I can't think of any common mounts that will allow you to use the iron sights without removing the optic, maybe the sales guy was talking about high mount see-through rings with a conventional scope.
It is possible to over insert the mag. I shoot IDPA and we reload our pistols from slide lock all the time. As a CSO I have SO'd probably 2,000 shooters in Sanctioned matchs and have witnessed zero ⁰over-insertions of any kind. I have yet to see it happen in the few carbine matches I have been involved with. What I have seen over the years have been situations where loaded mags not being fully seated when the reload was done with the slide is closed. The M&P 10 rounders can be difficult to reload if there is little spring left in the mag when they are fully loaded. If you are into slamming mags into guns when the slide is closed or bolt is forward you might damage the gun when doing a reload with the bolt back. Frankly, I think it is an issue only if you really just have to find something to complain about. That said it could happen and for those who own a gun that does not lock open on the last round something to justify their purchase.
Take Care
Bob
MacPapRonin
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Thanks for your insight. I haven't done reloads under stress with the PCC that I have (no BHO) but I can definitely envision that potentially being an issue. Thank you.
I bought the base model Ruger and then swapped into that stock.
By getting it already done you save about $200 vs getting them separate
As i mentioned earlier I have the Ruger (in this backpacker config) and the JR
They are both great and neither is a bad choice, but they are set up for slightly different uses
If you want compact and VERY reliable get the Ruger
If you AR style and already set up in tatical gear get the JR
or do what I did and GET BOTH
one final question... hopefully...
if i can get the ruger PCC (basic version with shotgun style stock) and backpacker config stock for pretty much same price as the direct backpacker config model.. what you would buy ?
get the basic model and eventually swap or get the backpacker model right now ? is there any use otherwise ?
new PAL holder here
can you explain a bit further about benefits of the pinned mags vs regular capacity mags
Well, with pistols you can't over-insert because the floorplate stops at the grip. For PCCs with non-flush-fit mag wells, it's a different story. Or using extended magazines in either PCC or pistol, I guess.
But I agree: If it's not a real problem, it's not a real problem. I did see countless failures to seat magazines on a closed slide/bolt in my competition days, probably the most common malfunction (though really it's operator error in the face of sub-optimal mechanical operation). And it's probably splitting hairs for most, but it is faster to reload with bolt/slide forward when you have the option. But it doesn't take much experience to show anyone that keeping track of rounds fired while on the clock is a lofty goal.
