7mm-08 question

Then say so and justify your remarks and don't pass me for a 1950's thinker.
Besides it's Supercub that brought up the 175 grain bullet comment. And although I know what you're thinking on lighter bullets of the TSX ilk you're so fond of, the 175 grain old copper and lead bullet does just fine.;)
 
Woodsman is suggesting that since the 7-08 case is short, 175gr bullets cannot be effectivley used.

Which is irrelevent, because a 140gr TSX will do anything a 175gr Hornady will do.

And, it's not really correct.

Browsing Hodgon/IMR/Winchester data it comes up like this:

Top velocity for 175gr Nosler Partition:

7x57- 2300fps 40 800 Cup

280-2593fps 49600 CUP

7-08-2568fps 48300 CUP

Sure, you can load the 280 and the 7x57 to higher pressures than these SAAMI maximums in modern bolt action rifles, and get a little more speed. I think that the fastest 175gr factory 7x57ammo out there runs about 2400fps.

The 175gr 7x57 load that Bell used to kill elephants was going alot slower than 2568fps!!!:dancingbanana:
 
Holy crap Foxer, I was just looking at your number of posts..... forget about the 375 Ruger, you are the new "King"
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ROFL - everyone says that the first time they notice it :) The vast majority were racked up when i was the only guy posting news articles in the articles section for a couple/three years there. :D 20 -30 stories a day and your post count tends to go up pretty fast. It don't mean much.
 
Didn't realize you were so sensitive, sorry.
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That's it. You're going to sensitivity training young man. That's 20 hours of 'leave it to beaver' reruns and no 'don cherry' for a week!
 
Woodsman said:
Besides it's Supercub that brought up the 175 grain bullet comment. And although I know what you're thinking on lighter bullets of the TSX ilk you're so fond of, the 175 grain old copper and lead bullet does just fine.;)
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Part of the original question was about using the 7/08 on heavy game, thus my comment on using the 175gr Partition. The data I find gives between 2400 and 2500fps which would be a very fine combination for moose or elk under 250yds. Yes there are other 7mm calibers that will give another 200 or 300fps, but I doubt very much that it would make any difference at all at the distance most moose are taken at.

Most of the shooters here at CGN have several different rifles falling, for the most part, into the varmint, deer, and moose sized game categories. I have a 375Magnum and a 358Winchester that would do service for moose, but if all I had was a 7/08 or a 7x57, I would not hesitate using a heavy Partition to do the job.
 
Gatehouse said:
Woodsman is suggesting that since the 7-08 case is short, 175gr bullets cannot be effectivley used.

Which is irrelevent, because a 140gr TSX will do anything a 175gr Hornady will do.

And, it's not really correct.

Browsing Hodgon/IMR/Winchester data it comes up like this:

Top velocity for 175gr Nosler Partition:

7x57- 2300fps 40 800 Cup

280-2593fps 49600 CUP

7-08-2568fps 48300 CUP

Sure, you can load the 280 and the 7x57 to higher pressures than these SAAMI maximums in modern bolt action rifles, and get a little more speed. I think that the fastest 175gr factory 7x57ammo out there runs about 2400fps.

The 175gr 7x57 load that Bell used to kill elephants was going alot slower than 2568fps!!!:dancingbanana:
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The point I'm trying to make IS relevant because you will not be able to fill the case with the amount of the desired powder if you are forced to seat a long bullet deep into the 7mm 08 because of the restrictive action length and magazine length. So you will not be able to achieve the data you present! ;)

And I don't know what reloading manual you have, by my Hogdon shows the
7mm08 at around 2300 with a 175 grain bullet. Imagine now if your action lenght forces you to stuff the bullet deeper? You're lucky if you get 2200 fps!
 
Woodsman said:
The point I'm trying to make IS relevant because you will not be able to fill the case with the amount of the desired powder if you are forced to seat a long bullet deep into the 7mm 08 because of the restrictive action length and magazine length. So you will not be able to achieve the data you present! ;)
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I understand what you are saying, but it appears as if you are incorrect.

And I don't know what reloading manual you have, by my Hogdon shows the
7mm08 at around 2300 with a 175 grain bullet. Imagine now if your action lenght forces you to stuff the bullet deeper? You're lucky if you get 2200 fps
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Odd....

Here is a link to Hodgon/IMR/Win data tables. You may need to agree to terms of use, but you can find the 7-08 data there:

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

There are 17 loads 175gr , rangning from 2344-2586fps But once again, it is irrelevent.

For hunting purposes, a 160gr Partition should work just as well as a 175gr Partition, and the 140-150grTSX will do just as well.:)
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Woodsman said:
And I don't know what reloading manual you have, by my Hogdon shows the
7mm08 at around 2300 with a 175 grain bullet. Imagine now if your action lenght forces you to stuff the bullet deeper? You're lucky if you get 2200 fps!
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Here a few 175gr (max) loads for 7/08 I found in a couple of manuals here. Note the bbl length in the Hornady loads.

Speer #12 24" BBL COL 2.745"

47/Re19 2628fps
47/N165 2575fps
44/IMR4350 2542fps
47/AA3100 2536fps
44/H4350 2507fps
45/H4831 2470fps
45/IMR 4831 2465fps
45/WW760 2461fps
42/H414 2419fps
42/H380 2408fps
39/IMR4320 2393fps
37/IMR4064 2353fps
36/Re15 2315fps


HORNADY Third Edition 18.5" BBL COL 2.810"

36.6/IMR4064 2300fps
36.8/IMR4320 2300fps
37/N202 2300fps
37.8/WW748 2300fps
42.3/H205 2400fps
41.3/WW760 2300fps
41.8/IMR4350 2300fps
45.7/WW785 2300fps

Ken Waters PET LOADS 24" BBL COL 2.85"

36/IMR4064 2337fps
43/IMR4350 2452fps
43/H205 2530fps
43/WW760 2481fps
48/MRP 2561fps
48/H450 2623fps
 
Woodsman said:
And I don't know what reloading manual you have, by my Hogdon shows the
7mm08 at around 2300 with a 175 grain bullet. Imagine now if your action lenght forces you to stuff the bullet deeper? You're lucky if you get 2200 fps!
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Huh. A 175 at 2200. Something like a 30-30, power wise.

That will never kill a moose.....
 
Foxer said:
The question was what's the biggest (and smallest) animal you believe could be respectably hunted with the cartridge - and i take 'respectably' to mean that it has more than the marginal amount of killing power required and will take an animal cleanly.
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well the 7mm08 with 120gr vmax does the job on gophers. I have not taken anything larger than white tail deer with it, but I hope to change that this fall.
 
Woodsman said:
And I don't know what reloading manual you have, by my Hogdon shows the
7mm08 at around 2300 with a 175 grain bullet. Imagine now if your action lenght forces you to stuff the bullet deeper? You're lucky if you get 2200 fps!
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I just got home and checked the Hodgdon 2008 manual....

Dude, you are looking at the 7-08 PISTOL data, chronographed from a 15 inch barrel!

:shotgun::shotgun:
 
SuperCub said:
Here a few 175gr (max) loads for 7/08 I found in a couple of manuals here. Note the bbl length in the Hornady loads.

Speer #12 24" BBL COL 2.745"

47/Re19 2628fps
47/N165 2575fps
44/IMR4350 2542fps
47/AA3100 2536fps
44/H4350 2507fps
45/H4831 2470fps
45/IMR 4831 2465fps
45/WW760 2461fps
42/H414 2419fps
42/H380 2408fps
39/IMR4320 2393fps
37/IMR4064 2353fps
36/Re15 2315fps


HORNADY Third Edition 18.5" BBL COL 2.810"

36.6/IMR4064 2300fps
36.8/IMR4320 2300fps
37/N202 2300fps
37.8/WW748 2300fps
42.3/H205 2400fps
41.3/WW760 2300fps
41.8/IMR4350 2300fps
45.7/WW785 2300fps

Ken Waters PET LOADS 24" BBL COL 2.85"

36/IMR4064 2337fps
43/IMR4350 2452fps
43/H205 2530fps
43/WW760 2481fps
48/MRP 2561fps
48/H450 2623fps
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Did you type all that up? If so, I am impressed:cool:
 
Gatehouse said:
I just got home and checked the Hodgdon 2008 manual....

Dude, you are looking at the 7-08 PISTOL data, chronographed from a 15 inch barrel!

:shotgun::shotgun:
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To be fair, I just checked my own Hodgdon # 26 and using 175gr bullets in an 18.5" bbl, the highest velocity listed was 2374fps with all other loads being under 2300fps. Alot, but not all, of the Hodgdon loads were as high as 3-4 grains less then listed in other manuals.
 
SC when did that manual come out? They must have reevaluted thier data..

The Nosler #5 lists 2612fps as thier fastest load, from a 26" barrel. Knock off 50 fps for a 24" barrel, and we are right back around 2560fps, like Hodgdon:)
 
7mm-08 said:
What is the largest game animal you have/would respectfully taken.......and at what range with a 7mm-08.
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I shot a few Muleys with mine, they all died......plus an Old dry Cow Moose at 200 meters across a swamp !
Hornady interlocks....139 grain......she didn't complain about it:wave:

Bullet clipped the heart & removed both lungs.....exited out the offside......How much "More" does one need ? ;)
 
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