IF a new Grizzly hunt, what gun

I hear ya, 100%. Often, the gun itself rather than the chambering decides what I take on my own hunts. If I like the gun, I won’t worry as much about the ballistics long as it’s in the range of appropriateness for the game.

When I was guiding, I was detached from all sentimentality and quickly found I was favouring cartridges and loads I went into the business disliking (‘magnums’ and I still dislike the marketing connotations of the term, other 3000fps cartridges). When talking about hunting for the pleasure, my cartridge choices can differ quite a bit from when talking about hunting as a business.

In pure cold effectiveness, speed kills best. Doesn’t have to be silly Weatherby speed, even a .30-06 qualifies, but I couldn’t deny the faster the bullet of appropriate construction was going the better the effects on bears and mountain game when viewed in bulk averaging without predeterminations.
 
A 45/70, with 400 grain bullets at 1850+, will knock bears down in a hurry; the same bullet at 1400, probably won't. In truth, without a central nervous system disruption, the bear will probably not drop at the shot.
 
30-06 with 200gn NP running 2600fps is/should be working really well on large game! I tend to like heavy for caliber bullets!
 
just my thoughts on the 45-70 is it should be shot to bone / shoulder . It's not a hi shock round . I have used it on blackies and the best success ( I've had) is thru the shoulder . Lung shot , good luck . The 300 grain vor-tx is fast and penetrates as well as the old dual bond 375 grain. But remember a 45-70 is a big hole without expansion
 
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JIMMY 808 said:
11% of Canada is privately owned plenty of room for the bears not to be on my place with children and livestock.
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What a poor attitude towards an animal thats been here long before any of us .We are the intruder in case ur pee brain cant decipher that. You think they go to school and figure out where theyre allowed. Really believe there should be an IQ test for gun owners. Youd be unarmed and great eating for a dumb bear.
 
Ardent said:
Feels a bit like the guy you just saw sniff his fingers ask to use your phone at this point.
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Read some of his previous posts and Im sure he will end up in the same position as Ive put him in. Thank heaven for the IGNORE feature. Obviously not acquainted with all of your experiences.
 
Longstud said:
What a poor attitude towards an animal thats been here long before any of us .We are the intruder in case ur pee brain cant decipher that. You think they go to school and figure out where theyre allowed. Really believe there should be an IQ test for gun owners. Youd be unarmed and great eating for a dumb bear.
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Pee or pea?
 
Longstud said:
What a poor attitude towards an animal thats been here long before any of us .We are the intruder in case ur pee brain cant decipher that. You think they go to school and figure out where theyre allowed. Really believe there should be an IQ test for gun owners. Youd be unarmed and great eating for a dumb bear.
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People were here before Grizzlies, this idea will find resistence because they can't be a Symbol of the Wilderness if it wasn't Wilderness when they arrived.
 
Longstud said:
What a poor attitude towards an animal thats been here long before any of us .We are the intruder in case ur pee brain cant decipher that. You think they go to school and figure out where theyre allowed. Really believe there should be an IQ test for gun owners. Youd be unarmed and great eating for a dumb bear.
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That's kinda silly. Just because they might have been here first don't matter. I'm here now they can move
 
Yeah I’m here now so I want to do what ever I want shoot what ever I want drive my quad where ever I want… #### them all!!
 
DGY said:
Yeah I’m here now so I want to do what ever I want shoot what ever I want drive my quad where ever I want… #### them all!!
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Agreed. My own lineage’s history in North America stretches back to the 1700s on my mother’s side, which sounds like a while to us humans. That looks a tad paltry when grizzlies (brown bears) have confirmed radio carbon and stratigraphy corroborated remains to a minimum of 26,000 years on the continent, which were confirmed almost 20 years ago. I only got into looking into this in depth thanks to this thread. So, you learn something new from everything, even a bear thread.

And in the end, I feel like I belong here despite the fact only a small portion of my ancestors claimed a 300 year tenure on the continent. And the grizzlies have all of us arguing in this thread beat in right to territory and existence by a huge margin. And, just like the rest of us in this thread, doesn’t mean I’d let one eat me on principle. I have a selfish affinity to life that also safeguards my passengers by association in the day job.

I also don’t think anyone here doesn’t like having something in the bush to be wary of, and carry a gun for. In the end, we love the beautiful monsters, even if the monster part is largely imaginary.
 
Ardent said:
Agreed. My own lineage’s history in North America stretches back to the 1700s on my mother’s side, which sounds like a while to us humans. That looks a tad paltry when grizzlies (brown bears) have confirmed radio carbon and stratigraphy corroborated remains to a minimum of 26,000 years on the continent, which were confirmed almost 20 years ago. I only got into looking into this in depth thanks to this thread. So, you learn something new from everything, even a bear thread.

And in the end, I feel like I belong here despite the fact only a small portion of my ancestors claimed a 300 year tenure on the continent. And the grizzlies have all of us arguing in this thread beat in right to territory and existence by a huge margin. And, just like the rest of us in this thread, doesn’t mean I’d let one eat me on principle. I have a selfish affinity to life that also safeguards my passengers by association in the day job.

I also don’t think anyone here doesn’t like having something in the bush to be wary of, and carry a gun for. In the end, we love the beautiful monsters, even if the monster part is largely imaginary.
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Imagine how boring the bush would be without its monsters. Might as well just camp in back yard, in the city, it would be the same thing.
Long live the monsters!
 
Mr.Rigpig said:
Imagine how boring the bush would be without its monsters. Might as well just camp in back yard, in the city, it would be the same thing.
Long live the monsters!
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Mr.Rigpig said:
I hear ya, I've never lived in a city, did stay in a very small town once with a friend for a bit for a job though. Not my thing, thats for sure, town life that is.
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There's no monsters in SE Sask .. enjoy it
 
Ardent said:
Agreed. My own lineage’s history in North America stretches back to the 1700s on my mother’s side, which sounds like a while to us humans. That looks a tad paltry when grizzlies (brown bears) have confirmed radio carbon and stratigraphy corroborated remains to a minimum of 26,000 years on the continent, which were confirmed almost 20 years ago. I only got into looking into this in depth thanks to this thread. So, you learn something new from everything, even a bear thread.

And in the end, I feel like I belong here despite the fact only a small portion of my ancestors claimed a 300 year tenure on the continent. And the grizzlies have all of us arguing in this thread beat in right to territory and existence by a huge margin. And, just like the rest of us in this thread, doesn’t mean I’d let one eat me on principle. I have a selfish affinity to life that also safeguards my passengers by association in the day job.

I also don’t think anyone here doesn’t like having something in the bush to be wary of, and carry a gun for. In the end, we love the beautiful monsters, even if the monster part is largely imaginary.
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Very nicely put
 
Longstud said:
What a poor attitude towards an animal thats been here long before any of us .We are the intruder in case ur pee brain cant decipher that. You think they go to school and figure out where theyre allowed. Really believe there should be an IQ test for gun owners. Youd be unarmed and great eating for a dumb bear.
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Bears are predators - KILL them All ! :p. RJ
 
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