New bullet designs , what have they changed for you

I equally shoot Nosler Accubonds as Ballistic Tips, sometime the Partition. However, being that Nolser bullets have become insanely expensive (partition/accubonds), I'm shifting towards the Ballistic tips and other spitzer bullets. I'm currently trying Hornady SST and Sierra Game Changers (TGK) in load development for the very first time. I come from a pedigree of hunters, case in point, my family was one of the first settlers to Canada, 1721 AD, and don't know of my family, or any other family, or person who died from eating deer, shot with lead; and I'll never shoot Barnes bullets.
 
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I equally shoot Nosler Accubonds as Ballistic Tips, sometime the Partition. However, being that Nolser bullets have become insanely expensive (partition/accubonds), I'm shifting towards the Ballistic tips and other spitzer bullets. I'm currently trying Hornady SST and Sierra Game Changers (TGK) in load development for the very first time. I come from a pedigree of hunters, case in point, my family was one of the first settlers to Canada, 1721 AD, and don't know of my family, or any other family, or person who died from eating deer shot with lead; and I'll never shoot Barnes bullets.
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I shoot pretty much the same boolits as you and am not fond of the Barnes either . For me lack "chance" of expansion ..
I also think going back many moons is that the 30-06 with cup-n core has maybe given up alota ground to new cartridges with new bullets that out perform the old gal . What used to be the "all mighty" is now vanilla seconds .
Have the new bullets changed the cartridge rankings !!!
Distance and accuracy ??

Tell me why no Barnes
 
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Guys going on about no Barnes or no shoulder shots have clearly never used or done either. Cup and cores and standard bullets kill just fine, but a TTSX is death by lightning. Shoulder shots have a tendency to drop animals dead on the spot they where standing. Someone will now chime in saying that’s rubbish etc. they just haven’t done it and they don’t know any better.
 
You are correct. I went and drug out my recovered bullet collection again (recovered from dead animals) and plucked the Barnes bullets out for a group photo. They do the job well. Extremely well actually. At a 10% recovery rate I’ve given them a pretty fair shake I’d say.

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Nice bullet collection, Pathfinder!

Can't say thats the TTSX not doing enough damage is a problem here at all yet...

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Should one apparently fail I'll have no problem posting the details. But so far, the TTSX and Hornady GMX/CX have worked very well in a variety of calibers. Even aside from concerns about lead I'd probably use them anyway just because they are great bullets with performance that I like.

The best big game performer to me is the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw/Terminal Ascent/Whatever tf Federal calls it now lol. Solid shank of a copper bullet, with a very fast opening front end, bonded. But I'm doing well enough with the monometals on deer and moose so far that I see no reason to change.
 
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I’m a fan of using what I already have or what I can most easily get. The more I shoot things I find that bullets are the most reliable part of of killing. The least unfortunately is where I put them.

I wouldn’t be afraid to shoot a Barnes or a Berger.
 
Spruster said:
I shoot pretty much the same boolits as you and am not fond of the Barnes either . For me lack "chance" of expansion ..
I also think going back many moons is that the 30-06 with cup-n core has maybe given up alota ground to new cartridges with new bullets that out perform the old gal . What used to be the "all mighty" is now vanilla seconds .
Have the new bullets changed the cartridge rankings !!!
Distance and accuracy ??

Tell me why no Barnes
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Bullets haven't changed for me, hence, when I started hand-loading in 1982. I'm don't really care about the high BC, nor the monolithic bullets. I don't shoot extreme long range and I almost lost two big whitetail bucks from the mono bullets; terminal performance was pencil thickness, bucks ran 500 and 200 yards before collapsing. What has change is gun powder, which enhanced accuracy and velocity.
 
pathfinder76 said:
If you crowd diaphragms mono metals might cause issues for sure.
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Probs.

Have seen a few posts from reputable folks about TTSX fails with pics of recovered bullets but they've been just devastating here.

They seem to open hitting a good sized orange at 100 yards lol.
 
Spruster said:
Going back many years all we had for a premium bullet was the partition and a good one at that . Since then the bonded , super bonded and mono's hit the scene .
Have they changed your choice of caliber / cartridge maybe . a 6.5 instead of a 7rm .
Has it changed whether you reload or , nah -- the factory ammo now is accurate / fast and sometimes unachievable.
Changed the way you hunt maybe .
The cup and core still there too , for sure
Your thoughts and stories
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Not really. I have worked up some loads in old standards for lighter than normal mono metal bullets, but thats a small percentage of what I shoot. - dan
 
MRP said:
Never in 45 years have I ever found lead in my meat.
If you don’t won’t lead in your meat don’t shoot in the meat.
Heart/lungs or the head.
Anyone that claims a sub moa rifle has no excuse for shoulder shots.
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I have not found lead in my meat either I shoot broadside shots only, have taken a couple of neck shots but only a few and I have been hunting for 50+ years.
Cheers
 
Joel said:
Nice bullet collection, Pathfinder!

Can't say thats the TTSX not doing enough damage is a problem here at all yet...

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Should one apparently fail I'll have no problem posting the details. But so far, the TTSX and Hornady GMX/CX have worked very well in a variety of calibers. Even aside from concerns about lead I'd probably use them anyway just because they are great bullets with performance that I like.

The best big game performer to me is the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw/Terminal Ascent/Whatever tf Federal calls it now lol. Solid shank of a copper bullet, with a very fast opening front end, bonded. But I'm doing well enough with the monometals on deer and moose so far that I see no reason to change.
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look up for north fork bullets if you like tbbc.

problem with barnes bullets is the fouling from pure copper.
 
Joel said:
Nice bullet collection, Pathfinder!

Can't say thats the TTSX not doing enough damage is a problem here at all yet...

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Should one apparently fail I'll have no problem posting the details. But so far, the TTSX and Hornady GMX/CX have worked very well in a variety of calibers. Even aside from concerns about lead I'd probably use them anyway just because they are great bullets with performance that I like.

The best big game performer to me is the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw/Terminal Ascent/Whatever tf Federal calls it now lol. Solid shank of a copper bullet, with a very fast opening front end, bonded. But I'm doing well enough with the monometals on deer and moose so far that I see no reason to change.
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Nice collection as well , Let us know when having a garage sale ..you need one lol..I'll take the jerry can
 
Most of the time I've used Cup and Core, SGKBT, Nosler Partions, or Ballistic Silver tips. All have performed as required. I'm more about how accurate does the bullet shoot out of a given rifle. With accuracy I feel more confident when I have to reach out to 3-400 yards. A few times out furtheer but that's with my most familiar rifles. i sorta keep in mind that a 30-30 is good to at least 150 yards and the bullets do there job. So based on that, I know that a more powerful cartridge will do more at longer distances.
 
pathfinder76 said:
North Forks are solid copper as well. The fouling issues with both are almost non existent.
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The North Forks I've seen are definitely ones with lead in them.


Thanks for the suggestion Medved...never used them but heard good things.

Since once a load is worked up, I really only shoot Barnes bullets when doing a sight in or actually hunting, I've never noticed a fouling issue.

Clean before and after hunting season and I'm all good.
 
Joel said:
The North Forks I've seen are definitely ones with lead in them.


Thanks for the suggestion Medved...never used them but heard good things.

Since once a load is worked up, I really only shoot Barnes bullets when doing a sight in or actually hunting, I've never noticed a fouling issue.

Clean before and after hunting season and I'm all good.
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The jackets on North Forks are solid copper. In other words, they are not made of gilding metal.
 
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