Moral of the story:
Good shooting = dead elk, (pretty much) regardless of cartridge.
Bad shooting = complete s**t-show, regardless of cartridge.
Hey BigUglyMan, where abouts are you going to be hunting? And yeah, there's always someone looking to lay blame... despite the fact that non-resident Canadians represent a miniscule fraction of hunters in AB, or BC, or SK, or or or...
Moral of the story:
Good shooting = dead elk, (pretty much) regardless of cartridge.
Bad shooting = complete s**t-show, regardless of cartridge.
We let too many Albertans buy property in South East BC. Those are the facts and I hate it :
Over 50% of east Koot properties are Albertaned owned ! Yikes ! RJ
I like this quote - This is wisdom.
I have been very fortunate to have hunted elk for many years. I killed my thirtieth elk last September. Learned a lot during those hunts, and still hope to learn more. I have wounded and lost two elk. Never want to repeat those disasters.
In my opinion, no shot should be taken if you are not 90% sure of a vital hit. Elk, even well hit, very often run after the shot. It is not always possible to observe just how well a shot was placed and sometimes bullets do wonky things when they hit heavy bones or even a small unseen twig. A wounded elk is much more difficult to follow up than a wounded moose, because they tend to travel faster and farther. And the tracks can easily be mixed and confused with others if there is a herd. So regardless of the effect of the first shot, I shoot again if the elk is hurt but still on its feet.
I practise shooting a lot. I have a private range. I can keep shots on a target at 400 yards if it's not windy. But elk are not targets. So for me, 400 yards is about double the distance I can be confident of consistently putting a bullet in the right spot under normal hunting conditions, and be able to repeat that on a now-moving animal.
I've shot most of my elk with .308 or .35 Whelen. I like the Whelen a little better. But I've also used .270, 7x57, 7x64, 30-06, 8x57IS, 9.3x62, .356 Winchester, .375H&H, and .450-400 3" Nitro express. Observed several others at our camp shooting .300 magnums and .338's. The cartridge seems to matter less than a good bullet put in the right place.
I've had good results with Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Accubond, Norma Oryx, Barnes TSX, Trophy Bonded, and a couple others. I've had satisfactory results with some standard cup and core bullets like Lapua Mega, Remington Core-lokt, and Hornady Interlock if the cartridge shooting them is not too high velocity. And had some jacket-core separations and poor penetration from some other "standard" bullets as well. My preference is to shoot strong, medium or heavy for caliber bullets, bonded or all copper construction.
I personally find a good scope that offers a clear aiming point at first legal light is far more important than a flat shooting & powerful cartridge. Probably two thirds of my elk have been taken at first and last light.
I shot this elk last September at 70 yards and immediately again as it ran, with a .30-06 and 180 grain Norma Oryx. I passed up several elk viewed at farther distances before this good opportunity presented itself.
This is a great post from a guy who has been there done that.
The part I have an issue with is they want to escape the city but drag it and their ideology along for the ride.
wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way
wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way
Spruster, Yup. All licensed hunting. Mostly regular season, over the counter tags. A couple were draw tags. All in Saskatchewan. We have some exceptionally good elk hunting in our province. Alberta and BC get most of the publicity for Canadian elk hunting. We just enjoy what we have and don't share with non-residents, sorry!
Well I guess a bit of common sense needs to be applied. I haven't seen anyone advocating for the 243 as a 400 yard elk cartridge.
As to "We all would be using a 243", why is that? I mean, I do have one in the safe, but never use it... Maybe one day I will shoot gophers or a coyote with it....
I get tired of the 6.5 guys saying placement is everything ..well it's not . it takes some whack
Ya, I'm not big on the 6.5 queermoor either, but I do like the idea of the 264 Win mag.
wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way
Spruster, Yup. All licensed hunting. Mostly regular season, over the counter tags. A couple were draw tags. All in Saskatchewan. We have some exceptionally good elk hunting in our province. Alberta and BC get most of the publicity for Canadian elk hunting. We just enjoy what we have and don't share with non-residents, sorry!
270 WIN, at 400 yards it will drop approx 30", but will have enough energy to tip one over
Yes, it does work exactly that way. Every rodeo I have been involved in has resulted from one thing - crappy shooting. If you want to argue about poor angle shots, offhand shots, running game shots, and other sillyness, go right ahead. Facts are facts - a hole through both lungs with a hunting bullet within its design parameters, and / or heart = dead animal, every time, no exceptions. Will an elk bleed out quicker with a .458 caliber hole vs a .264 hole all else being equal, yes. But, it will still bleed out.
The 6.5s will kill whatever you shoot well, and have for well over 100 years. A "magnum" is not a solution to poor shooting ability and limited hunting skill. Is my 8 mag a better elk gun then a 6.5 CM? Probably, but I would not hesitate for a single second to send a 140 gr pill into the biggest elk on the planet with one.
But hey, you do you brother.