400 Yard Elk cartridge . what's your Pick

Hey BigUglyMan, where abouts are you going to be hunting? And yeah, there's always someone looking to lay blame... despite the fact that non-resident Canadians represent a miniscule fraction of hunters in AB, or BC, or SK, or or or...



Moral of the story:
Good shooting = dead elk, (pretty much) regardless of cartridge.
Bad shooting = complete s**t-show, regardless of cartridge
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wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way
 
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I like this quote - This is wisdom.

I have been very fortunate to have hunted elk for many years. I killed my thirtieth elk last September. Learned a lot during those hunts, and still hope to learn more. I have wounded and lost two elk. Never want to repeat those disasters.

In my opinion, no shot should be taken if you are not 90% sure of a vital hit. Elk, even well hit, very often run after the shot. It is not always possible to observe just how well a shot was placed and sometimes bullets do wonky things when they hit heavy bones or even a small unseen twig. A wounded elk is much more difficult to follow up than a wounded moose, because they tend to travel faster and farther. And the tracks can easily be mixed and confused with others if there is a herd. So regardless of the effect of the first shot, I shoot again if the elk is hurt but still on its feet.

I practise shooting a lot. I have a private range. I can keep shots on a target at 400 yards if it's not windy. But elk are not targets. So for me, 400 yards is about double the distance I can be confident of consistently putting a bullet in the right spot under normal hunting conditions, and be able to repeat that on a now-moving animal.

I've shot most of my elk with .308 or .35 Whelen. I like the Whelen a little better. But I've also used .270, 7x57, 7x64, 30-06, 8x57IS, 9.3x62, .356 Winchester, .375H&H, and .450-400 3" Nitro express. Observed several others at our camp shooting .300 magnums and .338's. The cartridge seems to matter less than a good bullet put in the right place.

I've had good results with Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Accubond, Norma Oryx, Barnes TSX, Trophy Bonded, and a couple others. I've had satisfactory results with some standard cup and core bullets like Lapua Mega, Remington Core-lokt, and Hornady Interlock if the cartridge shooting them is not too high velocity. And had some jacket-core separations and poor penetration from some other "standard" bullets as well. My preference is to shoot strong, medium or heavy for caliber bullets, bonded or all copper construction.

I personally find a good scope that offers a clear aiming point at first legal light is far more important than a flat shooting & powerful cartridge. Probably two thirds of my elk have been taken at first and last light.

I shot this elk last September at 70 yards and immediately again as it ran, with a .30-06 and 180 grain Norma Oryx. I passed up several elk viewed at farther distances before this good opportunity presented itself.

This is a great post from a guy who has been there done that.
 
Spruster, Yup. All licensed hunting. Mostly regular season, over the counter tags. A couple were draw tags. All in Saskatchewan. We have some exceptionally good elk hunting in our province. Alberta and BC get most of the publicity for Canadian elk hunting. We just enjoy what we have and don't share with non-residents, sorry!
 
wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way

Well I guess a bit of common sense needs to be applied. I haven't seen anyone advocating for the 243 as a 400 yard elk cartridge.

As to "We all would be using a 243", why is that? I mean, I do have one in the safe, but never use it... Maybe one day I will shoot gophers or a coyote with it....
 
Spruster, Yup. All licensed hunting. Mostly regular season, over the counter tags. A couple were draw tags. All in Saskatchewan. We have some exceptionally good elk hunting in our province. Alberta and BC get most of the publicity for Canadian elk hunting. We just enjoy what we have and don't share with non-residents, sorry!

Yes you do and I know that ... good stuff
 
Well I guess a bit of common sense needs to be applied. I haven't seen anyone advocating for the 243 as a 400 yard elk cartridge.

As to "We all would be using a 243", why is that? I mean, I do have one in the safe, but never use it... Maybe one day I will shoot gophers or a coyote with it....

I get tired of the 6.5 guys saying placement is everything ..well it's not . it takes some whack
 
wrong , nice saying , but that's all ... or we all would be using a 243 from mice to grizzly .. doesn't work that way

Yes, it does work exactly that way. Every rodeo I have been involved in has resulted from one thing - crappy shooting. If you want to argue about poor angle shots, offhand shots, running game shots, and other sillyness, go right ahead. Facts are facts - a hole through both lungs with a hunting bullet within its design parameters, and / or heart = dead animal, every time, no exceptions. Will an elk bleed out quicker with a .458 caliber hole vs a .264 hole all else being equal, yes. But, it will still bleed out.

The 6.5s will kill whatever you shoot well, and have for well over 100 years. A "magnum" is not a solution to poor shooting ability and limited hunting skill. Is my 8 mag a better elk gun then a 6.5 CM? Probably, but I would not hesitate for a single second to send a 140 gr pill into the biggest elk on the planet with one.

But hey, you do you brother.
 
Spruster, Yup. All licensed hunting. Mostly regular season, over the counter tags. A couple were draw tags. All in Saskatchewan. We have some exceptionally good elk hunting in our province. Alberta and BC get most of the publicity for Canadian elk hunting. We just enjoy what we have and don't share with non-residents, sorry!

that is clever and i wish we were doing the same here.
 
My elk hunting experience closely mirrors longwalkers. Raised a family on it to the extent that my kids thought beef tastes funny.
I hunt them much like deer by posting morning and evening on a field they’re using and have made some longish shots, first legal bull gets it.
The trouble with shooting elk at distance isn’t in killing them as much as in finding where he died. I lost the bottom half of a well shot bull a few years back to bone sour, just couldn’t find him in time. Take a look at longwalkers picture and you’ll see how you can walk within a few feet of a carcass. Sometimes your nose tells you “he’s right here”.
 
I've shot 22 elk I think, none over 300yds though. I hunt thick bush in northern SK and there just isn't the visibility for longer shots. The one 300yd shot I took was with a .338-06, 250gr Nosler Partition. Hit him a bit high through the lungs and he went down right away but not dead. Another quick follow up and that was that. All the others ranged from 12yds to 200yds approx. .303 Epps, 8x57, .30-06, and the majority with .338 Federal.
 
270 WIN, at 400 yards it will drop approx 30", but will have enough energy to tip one over

Only if you are a moron and zero at 100 yards... zeroed at MPBR with a 150 grain at 2900 fps, the zero is at 300 yards, the drop at 400 is 10"... it doesn't drop 30" until 510 yards out.
 
Yes, it does work exactly that way. Every rodeo I have been involved in has resulted from one thing - crappy shooting. If you want to argue about poor angle shots, offhand shots, running game shots, and other sillyness, go right ahead. Facts are facts - a hole through both lungs with a hunting bullet within its design parameters, and / or heart = dead animal, every time, no exceptions. Will an elk bleed out quicker with a .458 caliber hole vs a .264 hole all else being equal, yes. But, it will still bleed out.

The 6.5s will kill whatever you shoot well, and have for well over 100 years. A "magnum" is not a solution to poor shooting ability and limited hunting skill. Is my 8 mag a better elk gun then a 6.5 CM? Probably, but I would not hesitate for a single second to send a 140 gr pill into the biggest elk on the planet with one.

But hey, you do you brother.

Ah but that is where you are wrong!

See, it's really tricky. Hard to explain...thats why no one can explain why exactly a GOOD 6.5mm bullet at Creedmoor speed cannot kill an elk, even when placed well.

The effectiveness is inversely correlated to how preoccupied you are with homosexuality lol.

All joking aside I'd like a bit more speed at 400 yards but I'd prefer nice presentations and the opportunity to shoot again to any caliber. With elk hunting being a rather rare occurrence for some I see why they want more insurance. If you shoot something well, you shoot something well. Go get em!
 
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