Sustenance hunter designation

KotKotofeich said:
Ian Runkle had a video on this subject - yes the text of the OIC is vague, the cop may decide and charge accordingly, then the judge will decide. If there's any question about you having another suitable firearm - don't do it. This will only really work for a sustenance hunter who owns one (or very few) gun and can't afford another.
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If you have some form of government paperwork showing you are a sustenance hunter, the officer who stops you would not be in a position to detain, arrest and charge you. Unfortunately a hunting licence is simply not enough given there is people who hunt for trophy and sport which is legal but not sustenance.

Treaty rights or those who live a subsistence life where they are so remote that hunting licence and tags are not needed is an entirely different matter
 
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tokguy said:
I suspect the Gov't would have a look and see what your financial situation is. Pretty hard to claim you 'have to' sustenance hunt if you a rocking a 3-4000 prohib.
Just speculation on my side, but a likely turn of events I would guess.
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What does income have to do with hunting for sustenance?

You could borrow a 460 weatherby to go hunting with up until may 2020, you didn't have to own any rifles yourself

Next you will tell us that a 460 weatherby is not a hunting rifle?
 
Brian46 said:
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If you have some form of government paperwork showing you are a sustenance hunter, the officer who stops you would not be in a position to detain, arrest and charge you. Unfortunately a hunting licence is simply not enough given there is people who hunt for trophy and sport which is legal but not sustenance.

Treaty rights or those who live a subsistence life where they are so remote that hunting licence and tags are not needed is an entirely different matter
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yINUxhnLN0
 
Donny Fenn1 said:
Sorry, I must have misread this post from April of this year in the thread on the Sig Cross:
Have the 16" 308, didn't want to start with a different chambering and longer barrel.

I would have preferred a shorter barrel with fixed stock but nice rifle, accurate and good value.
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Borrowed at the time of posting
 
Brian46 said:
Sustenance is different that those with treaty rights or living a subsistence lifestyle, the words have different meaning
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So basically what you're looking to do is to continue to use your newly prohib rifle for hunting, by way of a sustenance loophole, the same way as you legally used it for hunting prior to the law change?

I don't blame you, as I would want to still be able to use my lawfully acquired property too. These new laws are a joke. If this is the case though, I do believe you would be setting yourself up for a major headache, legal or not.
 
Mr.Rigpig said:
So basically what you're looking to do is to continue to use your newly prohib rifle for hunting, by way of a sustenance loophole, the same way as you legally used it for hunting prior to the law change?

I don't blame you, as I would want to still be able to use my lawfully acquired property too. These new laws are a joke. If this is the case though, I do believe you would be setting yourself up for a major headache, legal or not.
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It's not a loophole, it was an exemption specifically stated in the oic that remains today as part of the amnesty.

I received my new firearms license after filling out the application as required with the appropriate box checked for sustenance.

The problem however is that the sustenance designation is not stated on the licence or paperwork you receive upon renewal. What is the purpose of the application if the result when approved is not stated anywhere? It appears intentional of the oic to state an exemption that the cfc will not provide paperwork for even when you have been approved.

Had my sustenance declaration not been approved, I would expect notification to that effect and I would not have received my new licence.
 
0faustus0 said:
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Well aware of this argument, however we are past 3 years with no buy back having been implemented allowing an individual the ability to obtain a suitable replacement with the funds recovered from the government.

Can the government make an argument in regards to you being able to use other funds to purchase a firearm? Sure, but would a jury be favorable to side with the government when it can easily be shown that the government has failed to implement a buy back program as promised that would enable the purchase of a suitable replacement.......
 
Brian46 said:
Well aware of this argument, however we are past 3 years with no buy back having been implemented allowing an individual the ability to obtain a suitable replacement with the funds recovered from the government.

Can the government make an argument in regards to you being able to use other funds to purchase a firearm? Sure, but would a jury be favorable to side with the government when it can easily be shown that the government has failed to implement a buy back program as promised that would enable the purchase of a suitable replacement.......
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You will probably only find out once you are charged and you face a judge in court. Maybe the judge will side with you .... maybe not.
If you are holding a stable job, then prosecution will for sure argue that you could have spent $500.- to buy another hunting rifle.

How risk averse are you?

You see, I am very very risk averse when it comes to a criminal record. I would not only loose my PAL and all my guns .... but I would also loose my job .... and I would not be able to get another job in the industry that I am working in. We get background checks every 3 months ...
 
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Sustenance is likely right up there with CC perhaps?
I did not say anything about what constitutes ( or does not) a hunting rifle, hunt with a 50 BMG if it makes you feel better.
I just wouldn't hold my breath on the positive outcome for your sustenance hunting sadly.
 
tokguy said:
I suspect the Gov't would have a look and see what your financial situation is. Pretty hard to claim you 'have to' sustenance hunt if you a rocking a 3-4000 prohib.
Just speculation on my side, but a likely turn of events I would guess.
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I dunno, I know some Inuit that live like animals but shoot seals with sig pe90s. I don't think they need a license, tho. Can't remember right now.
 
tokguy said:
Sustenance is likely right up there with CC perhaps?
I did not say anything about what constitutes ( or does not) a hunting rifle, hunt with a 50 BMG if it makes you feel better.
I just wouldn't hold my breath on the positive outcome for your sustenance hunting sadly.
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I feel this is the likely the case here.
I believe the odds of any judge siding with a regular citizen regarding firearm rights is not going to happen, especially with a lieberal govt.
 
RightWingIndian said:
I dunno, I know some Inuit that live like animals but shoot seals with sig pe90s. I don't think they need a license, tho. Can't remember right now.
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What do you expect, it wasn’t that long ago they lived in misery. And a sig is way cooler than a neat house.. lol
 
Brian46 said:
It's not a loophole, it was an exemption specifically stated in the oic that remains today as part of the amnesty.

I received my new firearms license after filling out the application as required with the appropriate box checked for sustenance.

The problem however is that the sustenance designation is not stated on the licence or paperwork you receive upon renewal. What is the purpose of the application if the result when approved is not stated anywhere? It appears intentional of the oic to state an exemption that the cfc will not provide paperwork for even when you have been approved.

Had my sustenance declaration not been approved, I would expect notification to that effect and I would not have received my new licence.
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Maybe the approval paperwork is located for download on CFC's individual web services site, like they do for transfer notices, etc.?
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/individual-web-services
 
Norton said:
Maybe the approval paperwork is located for download on CFC's individual web services site, like they do for transfer notices, etc.?
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/individual-web-services
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When you check the sustenance box on your license application or renewal, you are supposed to be questioned and your application can be delayed pending CFO approval. Since I received my license, I can only assume that I was approved given the information available online, however there is no paperwork provided by the cfc showing the sustenance hunter status with the new license.

In talking with others who have the declaration, nothing showing the sustenance declaration appears on their licence or paperwork either.

Given the amnesty wording, it would not seem to be advisable to continue to use your rifles or ones you borrow as stated unless you are able to produce paperwork from the cfc showing your sustenance license status. This is a simple task for those that fall under treaty rights, but not for people who have a firearms license for the ability to hunt for sustenance.

The federal government likely knew this when they made the exemption and instructed the cfc and cfo's not to provide even a shred of documentation.
 
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