Sustenance hunter designation

45C said:
All the documentation you need is written pic I posted
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That is the text of the exemption granted by the oic, I had that prior to sending in my application.

It is not the CFC and/or CFO stating that your license was indeed processed with the sustenance declaration having been recognized and approved.
 
Brian46 said:
That is the text of the exemption granted by the oic, I had that prior to sending in my application.

It is not the CFC and/or CFO stating that your license was indeed processed with the sustenance declaration having been recognized and approved.
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well did you paid your license or did it was approved with no fees?
 
Brian46 said:
That is the text of the exemption granted by the oic, I had that prior to sending in my application.

It is not the CFC and/or CFO stating that your license was indeed processed with the sustenance declaration having been recognized and approved.
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That’s all I would need if I were to use that exemption, I don’t se anywhere in that written statement where I need to apply for anything.
 
Ardent said:
#### around and find out applies here. While I don’t agree with the OIC, it’s not a position I’d want to be the test case in court for.
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Documentation showing you applied for and were granted the sustenance declaration as part of your firearms licence application from the government would eliminate a huge hurdle as a co or leo would be reluctant to detain you or confiscate your firearms pending an investigation when stopped

An overzealous person in a position of power will not be dissuaded by any documentation you can produce on the spot, but I like to believe that the majority of people in a position of power remain good and decent people despite my own experiences that tell me otherwise
 
medvedqc said:
i forgot about the restricted part. im renewing one and will apply and see how it goes.
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It really does not make sense as people who trap and hunt for a subsistence lifestyle are among the few who qualify for a wilderness atc. Given that this is one of the groups targeted buy the sustenance declaration to lower their cost of living, it really shows how out of touch our government is.
 
Brian46 said:
Documentation showing you applied for and were granted the sustenance declaration as part of your firearms licence application from the government would eliminate a huge hurdle as a co or leo would be reluctant to detain you or confiscate your firearms pending an investigation when stopped

An overzealous person in a position of power will not be dissuaded by any documentation you can produce on the spot, but I like to believe that the majority of people in a position of power remain good and decent people despite my own experiences that tell me otherwise
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I wonder how many of the people who are making the new C-21 laws have their PAL and experience with going to the range for plinking, or hunting for food? Good people I'm sure, but might not be experienced enough in the industry to make an educated decision on the gun laws in Canada. Anyone have that data?
 
BBDI said:
I wonder how many of the people who are making the new C-21 laws have their PAL and experience with going to the range for plinking, or hunting for food? Good people I'm sure, but might not be experienced enough in the industry to make an educated decision on the gun laws in Canada. Anyone have that data?
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once you have read c68 you will understant that even being educated on gun laws you will have still have no clue about it ... speak with lawyers and you will even meet different advices ... that c68 should be start from scratch a gun is a gun and unless you cannot possess one due to court decision on criminal matter that is it ... no more pal rpal prohibited or whatever ... we re trying to make too complicated what is not ...
 
BBDI said:
I wonder how many of the people who are making the new C-21 laws have their PAL and experience with going to the range for plinking, or hunting for food? Good people I'm sure, but might not be experienced enough in the industry to make an educated decision on the gun laws in Canada. Anyone have that data?
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I seriously doubt many of them have ever even seen a firearm, except on TV, and you know how that goes....
Silent rifles & everyone is a sniper
347 round revolvers
guns never miss when aimed at someone innocent
full autos that simply shoot forever, hell, everyone is packing a full auto
pistols work best when held sideways, ask any gangbanger
shoot a car and it explodes
the list goes on....
 
Mr.Rigpig said:
Silent rifles & everyone is a sniper
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I dont get why "Silencers" are banned. The rifle is still very loud, but it would prevent permanent damage to my hearing and those around me at the range. It also prevents disturbing the neighboring homes close to the gun range. What harm does a suppressor do that it should be banned? Do they think one would sneak around with a .308 and shoot so no one can hear it? It is still very loud, even with subsonic ammo! Its arguably safer with a suppressor as it protects from hearing damage yet still very loud.
 
yeah makes no sense at all. Swedish hunters and probably other countries can use supressors. Not dangerous or any down side. i guess you have to clean more but that's not very dangerous
 
I hear you. I think you have to see a physiatrist and pass lol. And no cross bows. Not perfect. All in all we're still not bad yet
 
Sorry but I sound racist, but no one in Canada is going to starve if they don’t shoot a deer. Subsistence hunting is long gone. 60 years ago I often ate with some native kids. They were poor and we ate whatever they could get. Now they get assistance and help at many turns. Times have changed. Sorry again but JMHO.
 
Brian46 said:
Recently renewed my firearms license with the appropriate box checked for sustenance and my renewal has been completed

The May 2020 oic provided for an exemption for sustenance hunters to continue using their firearms until a suitable replacement could be purchased. The government has not provided a buy back program enabling the purchase of a replacement yet.

No documentation came with my renewal stating the sustenance designation which is a concern given I may be stopped out in the bush and asked to provide documentation of my sustenance exemption.

What paperwork do you carry with you as proof?
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Probably one of those situations where the Court will end up deciding if you qualify for the exemption . A LE officer or CO will look at your rifle if you are checked , and will probably seize it on the spot if it is on the prohibit list ; then it will be up to you to prove to the Court that you are a sustenance hunter , and that you have no other firearm available before your firearm is returned . The current gun laws under Trudeau is now such a mass of confusion , that few can understand it . It is really a roll of the dice these days .
 
"No other firearms available" is not part of the exemption text.

The government made it clear " until a suitable replacement can be obtained" however this exception was made along with the promise of a buy back to enable you to purchase said 'suitable replacement" which has still not been implemented.

If the cfc/CFO can take an application for the sustenance hunter declaration and approve a fee waiver based on that declaration, they can also provide documentation showing the government entity responsible for granting this exemption has indeed approved you as a sustenance hunter
 
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