CFET WK181 10000 round test and report

Right. because every gun owner is only going to buy one type of ammunition, and one type of magazine, for the entire time they have the gun.

A quality civilian firearm should not need bespoke and specialized ammunition to function reliably. there is a significant difference between claiming a gun is non functional because it has issues with one pattern of magazine or one brand of ammo, and consistent failures across multiple ammo and magazine types. the latter is indicative of an inherent design flaw, not an ammo issue.

I suggest following the exchange of words properly.

I did not say that firearms should not be tested with different ammunition.

My responds was to the "millions of rounds through battle proven firearms" and the (wrong) assumption that they work well with no malfunction, no matter what kind of ammunition is used.

You guys just echo each other without reading what I said.
 
Meh, twist your words all you like. Those firearms will shoot circles around whatever Canadian junk you have and are defending, regardless of ammo used.
 
There are problems with every gun if you treat it accordingly as you do.

I trust you have not google'd the several firearms you mentioned "as highly reliable". You may want to do that before putting yourself on the pedestal of "protecting Canadian customers".

Laughable.

I am also giving you an example. You are running the guns through all kinds of ammunition, military do not do that, they are using the best available ammo for the task and the gun. I think you are looking for problems. Before you even started with the WC181 and the BCL Siberian (which is next), the outcome was predetermined. I'd say save your ammo and stop begging for donors.

The only thing laughable in this thread is your own arrogance and ignorance. Go conduct your own comprehensive testing to share with the public free of charge, or go F%$k back off under your bridge.

Thanks CFET for conducting this test, it has confirmed my reservations about the 181, and I will not be purchasing one.
 
I personally appreciate the use of different ammunition, in our current economy I've had to switch brands a few times due to scarcity. Thats realistic in my mind
 
The only thing laughable in this thread is your own arrogance and ignorance. Go conduct your own comprehensive testing to share with the public free of charge, or go F%$k back off under your bridge.

Thanks CFET for conducting this test, it has confirmed my reservations about the 181, and I will not be purchasing one.

Interesting that quite a few people posting here came to the conclusion after 10,000 rounds that they won't be buying a WC181. It was quite the opposite at 5,000 rounds from memory. The rifle worked quite well, until the OP decided to cover it in dirt and mud, with expected outcome.

So what are you gonna buy now, just curious?

I also find it interesting that many folks in this thread get bent out of shape quite fast, many of whom, like you with quite a low post count or new, I suspect fanboys of the OP. I also think your comment deserves an infraction.
 
Interesting that quite a few people posting here came to the conclusion after 10,000 rounds that they won't be buying a WC181. It was quite the opposite at 5,000 rounds from memory. The rifle worked quite well, until the OP decided to cover it in dirt and mud, with expected outcome.

So what are you gonna buy now, just curious?

I also find it interesting that many folks in this thread get bent out of shape quite fast, many of whom, like you with quite a low post count or new, I suspect fanboys of the OP. I also think your comment deserves an infraction.

read the thread. the first shot across the bow was by that sciatica guy who called the report 'laughable' because, apparently, those involved spent $7k of their own funds to torture test a rifle and report the results. and when he rightfully gets slapped back i'd suggest it was the 'fanboy' who got bent out of shape.
 
I read the review carefully. You guys are in Quesnel, right. I also read that you deemed the rifle to have a dangerous design and should be recalled, right?

I wonder why you are selling it then on ####### with no mention of it???

"A WK181 which has been used for testing. It has a high round count of 10,000 rounds and is still shooting 1.4 (PPU) to 2.8moa (Chinese surplus) 5 round groups.

The rifle is covered under Kodiak Defence warranty and retails new for $1750 (with taxes), a replacement barrel from KD is $200 but is not needed right now and is unlikely to be for many thousands of rounds so get yourself a good deal!

Right side safety screw is worn out, safety is present, KD will replace for free for those who want it"

BTW, the price is not $1,750 with taxes, joking? eh

Asking $1,200, well good luck.
 
A very good read and an excellent report...way to go.
With 8 rifles in the Liberal sin bin I am looking for an AR replacement. I don't want a bullpup as I already have a T97 and an RFB. So my conclusion is:

WK - Gen 1 - avoid. Gen 2 is not too bad if you clean well, don't shoot a lot of rounds, can put up with some issues and want cheap and cheerful
BCL Siberian - probably best of the lower priced options
Sterling, Templar & Lockhart - better but still some issues and the price is creeping up
SL8 - well its H&K so excellent
Tavor - excellent as long as you are OK with bullpup
BREN 2 etc - excellent but expensive
MRA Renegade - good if you are paranoid about the future of any semi auto

So am thinking of ordering a new BCL Siberian. Feedback?
 
I read the review carefully. You guys are in Quesnel, right. I also read that you deemed the rifle to have a dangerous design and should be recalled, right?

I wonder why you are selling it then on ####### with no mention of it???

"A WK181 which has been used for testing. It has a high round count of 10,000 rounds and is still shooting 1.4 (PPU) to 2.8moa (Chinese surplus) 5 round groups.

The rifle is covered under Kodiak Defence warranty and retails new for $1750 (with taxes), a replacement barrel from KD is $200 but is not needed right now and is unlikely to be for many thousands of rounds so get yourself a good deal!

Right side safety screw is worn out, safety is present, KD will replace for free for those who want it"

BTW, the price is not $1,750 with taxes, joking? eh

Asking $1,200, well good luck.

Manifestly you did not read the report as carefully as one should prior to writing the sort of comment that you have. Allow me to disabuse you of the insinuations you have made by quoting specific parts of the spring component of the report which are extremely clear on the matter:

Slide 7:
To our understanding no export or sale of the WK181 ever took place until Dec
2022
.


Slide 49:

"This begins with the WK180 Gen 1"
"In July 2021 one of the testers purchased a WK180 Gen 1 in 7.62x39"
*A picture and a video of a WK180*
Slide 50:
2 pictures of the WK180

Slide 51:
The tester sent the below summary of thoughts to Kodiak Defence Jan
2022.

I believe the WK180 762 is beating itself to death.

Slide 52:


[B
]Did Kodiak Defence change anything with the WK180 Gen 1 7.62x39 design after getting this info? No

For the WK181

- Is there now a 2nd pin to prevent spontaneous disassembly? Yes[/B]

So as was clearly stated in the report and specifically the spring section. The letter sent to KD in regards to the WK180 in 7.62x39 was sent JANUARY 2022 and the WK181 was released in DECEMBER 2022. The CFET team is rather capable however allow me to reassure you that were we capable of time travel we would not be utilising such a capability to conduct the unique activity of saying inaccurate mean things about a product on the internet...

In addition in regards to you clear insinuation that we would have the lack of integrity to sell a dangerous product presumably to an unknowing customer. As is clearly stated by the above quotes from slide 52, Kodiak Defence with the WK181 did add a rear retaining pin which prevents the spontaneous disassembly experienced with the WK180.

The pictures of a green spray painted WK180 vs the black WK181 were so blatantly obviously different firearms that it did not cross one's mind to have to highlight that they were not the same especially given the clear text surrounding them. We will maintain this approach despite efforts to lower the bar

Now on to pricing. The first 4 results of a google search of the rifle for sale gives the following prices:

Cabelas at $1600 which with 5% - 15% sales tax within Canada gives a price range of $1680 - $1840 ($1750 sits right in the middle of that range what a shock)

Kodiak Defence $1550 - pretty much the same deal

FOC - $1550 - as above

G4C - $1470 - ta da a whole $60 lower with the highest tax rate than the advertised rough cost.

So not an unreasonable price estimate at all.

Would you like to make some more unfounded and blatantly wrong statements?

Would you like to apologise for smearing the efforts of a group of people who have invested a great deal of money and time for yours and other's benefit?

Normally when you knock into someone and spill their drink you replace it, perhaps having accused us of a complete lack of integrity you'd like to make amends by contributing towards the testing of the BCL Siberian?
 
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You sound like a liberal. The outcome from your "testing" is already predetermined:

"Low quality Canadian semi auto intermediate calibre rifles: being sold as modern sporting rifles to people to whom the
$1000 - $3000 price range is a significant investment"

That's where you are coming from.

But sure, post here on CGN to which you and your paramilitary group do not contribute much other than attacking Canadian gun manufacturers.

IF there would be alternatives, you can be assured that people would buy it, or do you think we are stupid?
 
You sound like a liberal. The outcome from your "testing" is already predetermined:

"Low quality Canadian semi auto intermediate calibre rifles: being sold as modern sporting rifles to people to whom the
$1000 - $3000 price range is a significant investment"

That's where you are coming from.

But sure, post here on CGN to which you and your paramilitary group do not contribute much other than attacking Canadian gun manufacturers.

IF there would be alternatives, you can be assured that people would buy it, or do you think we are stupid?


The testing would be pointless, if people were not buying these firearms. if people were not putting up "reviews" after 500 rounds and saying the guns work "flawlessly".

Given options like the SU16, RDB, Tavor, Bren, APC, SL8, and T97 are still guns that exist, if these Canadian firearms cannot go toe to toe with them, then yes. determining that you would be better off buying one of the alternatives is important information to have in the wild.

As for calling CFET a paramilitary group...just...wow. i didn't realize reviewing a firearm was paramilitary activity. you learn something new every day. but its @CFET that sounds like a liberal eh bud?
 
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