New - Ruger Hawkeye vs Model 70
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lol, ok, maybe we do need to dive into this trigger thing, I did not know about any issues, just praise for the old win 70, although this thread is about the new ones so is the new open ruger then possible to do whatever bad stuff the old win one JOEL says does?
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lol, ok, maybe we do need to dive into this trigger thing, I did not know about any issues, just praise for the old win 70, although this thread is about the new ones so is the new open ruger then possible to do whatever bad stuff the old win one JOEL says does?
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LMAO oh come on "its not great out of the box" is by far the norm with factory triggers! That's why so many have that lil allen key hole so you can mess with em now lol.
And when does anyone else ever talk up the reliability of any other trigger that we absolutely never hear about failing?
I dissed a sacred cow and now everyone has the butthurts. Other triggers generallly never fail on us anyway, but people have been calling this one reliable for 80 years so it must be so! While just about every other trigger keeps on working and working and....
Just like "Damn! if only I had a massive claw instead of this stupid push feed!" which just about none of us ever really say. Not with a good rifle anyway. But everyone wants that CRF! Winchester push feeds are aces for a reliable action. We all have that Walter Mitty deep down in us that makes us think about charging grizzlies or what Ruark said about the way a cape buff looks at you like it owes you money
Maybe for insurance if I was a grizzly barr guide like Ardent I'd want a Mauser based rifle. My push feeds ain't bumbled on me yet.
lol, I gotta say I enjoyed my cz 527 feed over every single push feed I've ever had so there's more too it that can't put quite into words yet, if reliability is it in crunch situation but push feeds do work fine as you say but sure didn't tickle me in the right places as much as the little cz action did, or any crf I have fondled along the way
and back to the triggers, I actually wanna know the scoop here, Joel, take a time out for a second lol
and back to the triggers, I actually wanna know the scoop here, Joel, take a time out for a second lol
The model 70 and M77 trigger are both not adjustable for sear engagement. Depending on the gun, and what you desire in a trigger may mean a trip to the gunsmith. A M70 open type trigger can have a sear engagement screw added. The m77 usually needed a few thousandths taken off the top of the trigger sear surface for a lighter trigger ime. Both can be excellent and low in weight but have never been that way from the factory.
As for field reliability, you can make a claim that less moving and enclosed parts, the better. But blaming gear seems to be easier then looking after it. Both in the field and in the cabinet.
Crf is a nice. Push feed is nice. We are spoiled as modern day gun owners with good gunsmiths making things even better. We should all shoot more and smile.
As for field reliability, you can make a claim that less moving and enclosed parts, the better. But blaming gear seems to be easier then looking after it. Both in the field and in the cabinet.
Crf is a nice. Push feed is nice. We are spoiled as modern day gun owners with good gunsmiths making things even better. We should all shoot more and smile.
solid post Sir, maybe my draw to mechanical watches, manual transmissions, crf is a hardware thing? had the manual recently and used to keep motorbike on hand to ensure I got some annual fix but blew that gladiator up in two years (stupid pentastar), mechanical watch has been a champ (seiko 6r15 movement), and will get into another crf again soon, the cz was still missing checkboxes for me although it at least had the chambering....the ruger has the checkboxes covered, all of them, but just not the chambering and the chambering is still holding top criteria, so I'll wait...ruger has been doing the right thing a lot lately so I'll keep the finners crossed
more trigger talk still required I think, that was pretty good Buckster
Joel...not yet
more trigger talk still required I think, that was pretty good Buckster
Joel...not yet
Hahaha but...but...but...
Nah I have nothing more to say besides to reiterate what I said via PM. There's something special about the feeding of a rifle that has a mag box tuned to the cartridge dimensions, an action/bolt that are hand fit by a dude with a file, that just isn't present in mass produced rifles and has to be felt to be appreciated. You'll notice that with an original Mauser inn 8x57 and one that was converted to some other cartridge but the mag box/follower etc was not tweaked. Herr Mauser knew what he was doing. Maybe that claw helps that too!
But the triggers need some smithin.
*ducks*
Nah I have nothing more to say besides to reiterate what I said via PM. There's something special about the feeding of a rifle that has a mag box tuned to the cartridge dimensions, an action/bolt that are hand fit by a dude with a file, that just isn't present in mass produced rifles and has to be felt to be appreciated. You'll notice that with an original Mauser inn 8x57 and one that was converted to some other cartridge but the mag box/follower etc was not tweaked. Herr Mauser knew what he was doing. Maybe that claw helps that too!
But the triggers need some smithin.
*ducks*
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A good post.
you got the punt too Davey? I wear that banning on my sleeve! maybe it should be a tattoo lol
proud of that one, was fighting the covid cultists to see my exit, what did you do?
heck you better not have been the one that banned me...BWAHAHA
I know you're not lol, I have a pretty good handle on who that was lol
Laughing!
Sear engagement on a Ruger and a Model 70 are absolutely adjustable. Just because it isn’t adjustable with a screw driver, nail polish, and your ham fist doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Then to say one is better than the other is ridiculous.. Based on what exactly? Your gun safe contents and the screw driver and carb wrenches on the bench? If you want basement adjustability in your trigger then buy one off of the secondary market and fill your boots.
Even the Sako/Tikka trigger needs parts to be adjusted to the pull weight I know I want.
Even the Sako/Tikka trigger needs parts to be adjusted to the pull weight I know I want.
Two really nice rifles, the Ruger is Daniel's remorse and was made in 2011, while the Winchester was made in 2012 which was the last year of production in South Carolina. Also both rifles have hammer forged barrels. I prefer the Ruger over the Winchester.
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Sacred cow lol...
"What's that based on?"
having owned about a dozen of em yeah. Usually how we judge things.
Neither has been proven more reliable than the other and neither has inherent mechanical weakness. So I think the one that I consistently prefer by a wide margin, without adjustment (sometimes significant adjustment) is better.
If anyone doesn't like that, it's very much a "you" problem.
"What's that based on?"
having owned about a dozen of em yeah. Usually how we judge things.
Neither has been proven more reliable than the other and neither has inherent mechanical weakness. So I think the one that I consistently prefer by a wide margin, without adjustment (sometimes significant adjustment) is better.
If anyone doesn't like that, it's very much a "you" problem.
Kinda. It'd be different if we were talking about mechanical attributes that make one superior to the other.
In the absence of that, because the truth is neithers more likely to up and quit on ya than the other?
I don't need basement adjustability in what I shoot. Actually haven't touched the trigger on most of what I shoot.
Been giving the 70 props for being able to smith up better than most...but its often been more than a case of just playin with yer nuts and nail polish lol.
Just in case you have forgotten what you said.
Yep. And?
It wasn't rocket science and I didn't change my story. Every Hawkeye I had, the trigger was better than the best Win 70 out of the box at worst. Most were better than the best. All were better than the worst. Which was the worst trigger I have ever encountered.
The Win 70 can be cleaned up to be better...but its gonna have to be. Perhaps significantly. "Easy to adjust" it ain't always and "more reliable" I doubt too.
It wasn't rocket science and I didn't change my story. Every Hawkeye I had, the trigger was better than the best Win 70 out of the box at worst. Most were better than the best. All were better than the worst. Which was the worst trigger I have ever encountered.
The Win 70 can be cleaned up to be better...but its gonna have to be. Perhaps significantly. "Easy to adjust" it ain't always and "more reliable" I doubt too.
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