The Ugliest of Stepchildren The Ruger 1022 Charger

[Leuchtkafer]

I've often wondered how the charger got to be classified as a pistol - now I may be wrong - but I thought in order to be a pistol, it must be reasonably capable of being operated by one hand. The charger seems too long from the factory to be operated as a pistol.

I believe it was a loophole around the tax-stamps and restrictions required for a "short barreled rifle" in the States.

 

[gcdavidson]

If Ruger says its a pistol - when clearly it does not meet the Canadian definition of a handgun - yet we classify it as such...ahh, I'm about to go on a pointless Firearms Act / CCC rant again. nevermind.

I wrote Firearms Act, but it is the CCC 84(1) that provides the definition of handgun I was referring to.

 

[turbo_bird]

would be interesting to know how many Chargers are in Canada.
we should start a GoFundMe and try to buy them all back and then destroy them all, then lobby the Gov't to lift the ban on the magazines since all the offending guns would be gone.

Seeing how handgun sales are banned now, Chargers aren't readily available in Canada anymore. I think that means we're good to go on the 25 round 10/22 mags again. Your charger looks like it'll be a fun little rifle.
Kristian

 

[Big Bad]

Seeing how handgun sales are banned now, Chargers aren't readily available in Canada anymore. I think that means we're good to go on the 25 round 10/22 mags again. Your charger looks like it'll be a fun little rifle.
Kristian

Interesting theory, however chargers are of course still around in all their lack of glory.

 

[Odd Shot]

What about putting in the Desert Tech bullpup stock?

 

[turbo_bird]

Interesting theory, however chargers are of course still around in all their lack of glory.

But doesn't the law say "readily available"? If nobody can legally buy one, I'd say it is no longer easily available. I wonder if there's a way to bring this up in a court case without being charged for possession of a prohibited magazine?
Kristian

 

[wayupnorth]

all the parts have arrived.
ordered a plastic welding kit off of amazon and some black plastic rods to work with.
barrel arrived from Dlask along with some odds and sods.

now I just need some time!
hunting season is here now, have a 3 week hunt planned.....

this will probably have to wait until the snow gets deep before I can start doing some cutting and welding on that stock.

 

[wayupnorth]

the barrel swap and new charging handle - going for a silver/black look.

a mock-up marked the stock with some white paint pen where I'm thinking of cutting.
the barrel channel is not hogged out so the barrel is not down into the channel - that's why it's pointing up.

 

[wayupnorth]

i maybe should have gone with a carbon fibre barrel, this bull barrel weighs more than the rest of the rifle combined.

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

But doesn't the law say "readily available"? If nobody can legally buy one, I'd say it is no longer easily available. I wonder if there's a way to bring this up in a court case without being charged for possession of a prohibited magazine?
Kristian

I admire your optimism, mate. Pretty sure one would have to take this to court to get a ruling. If one simply offered the idea to the RCMP Firearms Lab (the folks responsible for this foolishness in the first place) and asked them to reverse their decision, I imagine they'd ignore it to death.

 

[jes]

It's looking good. Did I miss it somewhere in the previous thread, why aren't you trying it with the Charger barrel? Would that not fit in the barrel channel as is? I've had one of those stocks kicking around for years and I keep thinking I should do something with it.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

That retarded charger should never gave been allowed into Canada. Ruger must gave been forced to employ some VPs red haired retarded stepchild to have this abortion drop on the market like a dipper leader drops to his knees at the pmo gloryhole

Nothing wrong with the charger, it's our stupid laws that should be banned in Canada. Or more accurately poor interpretation of our poorly written laws. The law states clearly that what the mg was designed and marketed for defines hat it is, and many of the 10/22 +10 mags were designed built and sold long before the Charger even existed.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

The Charger in original wood stock was big and cumbersome, but I changed that out early after buying it. This is with an 11" barrel on an Axiom folder and it's AWESOME! I also run it with a 4.5 inch barrel on an Axiom pistol grip stock, easily managed one handed or two in tradition pistol fashion, although a little heavy still.

Yes, it's ugly, but loads of fun.

 

[wayupnorth]

It's looking good. Did I miss it somewhere in the previous thread, why aren't you trying it with the Charger barrel? Would that not fit in the barrel channel as is? I've had one of those stocks kicking around for years and I keep thinking I should do something with it.

it would fit diameter wise but the stock would still need to be cut down.
the stock barrel for a Charger is a 10" pencil barrel.
so basically the same as the stock barrel just half sized.

(and yes that is filiment tape I'm using to hold that in there - don't judge me!!!)

 

[turbo_bird]

I admire your optimism, mate. Pretty sure one would have to take this to court to get a ruling. If one simply offered the idea to the RCMP Firearms Lab (the folks responsible for this foolishness in the first place) and asked them to reverse their decision, I imagine they'd ignore it to death.

You're probably right that the RCMP would ignore such a question. Unfortunately, I think the only way to get it in front of a judge would be to be charged with a 10/22 mag over 10 rounds. That's probably not going to happen on its own, as I would imagine the prosecutor's wouldn't want a precedent set that RCMP opinion is not necessarily law. If they can come up with all sorts of ways to weasel their way around the laws as written, why can't we do the same?
Kristian

 

[Brutus]

I am going to sound like a noisy annoying parrot once again. And point out again that if the CBSA actually did thier job, these 10+ pistol magazines shouldn't have made thier way across the border in the first instance.
Problem solved.

 

[Highway Star]

would be interesting to know how many Chargers are in Canada.
we should start a GoFundMe and try to buy them all back and then destroy them all, then lobby the Gov't to lift the ban on the magazines since all the offending guns would be gone.

I read a while back that there are approx. 450 Chargers registered in Canada.
Sucks that so few Chargers gets the 25 round mag banned for the rest of us.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

I am going to sound like a noisy annoying parrot once again. And point out again that if the CBSA actually did thier job, these 10+ pistol magazines shouldn't have made thier way across the border in the first instance.
Problem solved.

The Buttler Creek 25/22 mags were around long before there even was a pistol that used them. There were tens, or hundreds of thousands of them in the country, which were designed and manufactured for the 10/22 rifle, which had no magazine capacity limits. That a pistol came along after, does not change that they were designed for a rifle, nor does it change the law that defines a magazine's legality by what it was designed or manufactured for. The BC 25/22 magazine, by letter of the law is perfectly legal to own and use in either the rifle or pistol.

 

[Brutus]

The Buttler Creek 25/22 mags were around long before there even was a pistol that used them. There were tens, or hundreds of thousands of them in the country, which were designed and manufactured for the 10/22 rifle, which had no magazine capacity limits. That a pistol came along after, does not change that they were designed for a rifle, nor does it change the law that defines a magazine's legality by what it was designed or manufactured for. The BC 25/22 magazine, by letter of the law is perfectly legal to own and use in either the rifle or pistol.

"Designed for" has significant meaning in our firearms law. Not saying it's right or wrong. But this legal framework exists in black & white.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

"Designed for" has significant meaning in our firearms law. Not saying it's right or wrong. But this legal framework exists in black & white.

Sure, but the mags were here for decades before the pistol even existed, so it's definitely not the fault of the CBSA for allowing legal rifle mags in the country.

I don't want to defend CBSA, they have certainly fkd us around on many occasions, but this isn't one of them IMO. This is RCMP fkery and over-stepping.