TNW troubleshooting thread

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I have a tnw asr in 9mm that I purchased new. The rifle was great for the first 1000 rounds or so. Now it's been nothing but problems.

I had a jamming issue that showed up out of nowhere. Some back and forth with their service team didn't get me anywhere but I finally sorted it out myself.

The problem I'm dealing with now is that the barrel nut bottoms out on the threads in the receiver before the barrel is fully retained so it is loose. The barrel can move in and out very slightly and it can wiggle back and forth.

Has anyone run into this ?
 
Sorry to hear it bud, that's frustrating.

To confirm, by barrel nut do you mean the threaded piece that floats on (and is retained on) the barrel assembly?

Do you have the bolt locked back and the retaining screw (on the top of the receiver) backed out while reinstalling the barrel?
 
I have a tnw asr in 9mm that I purchased new. The rifle was great for the first 1000 rounds or so. Now it's been nothing but problems.

I had a jamming issue that showed up out of nowhere. Some back and forth with their service team didn't get me anywhere but I finally sorted it out myself.

The problem I'm dealing with now is that the barrel nut bottoms out on the threads in the receiver before the barrel is fully retained so it is loose. The barrel can move in and out very slightly and it can wiggle back and forth.

Has anyone run into this ?

I looked at this when you posted it, since I've had my TNW ASR in 9mm, also purchased new, for about 2.5 years, and have put maybe a similar number of rounds through it. I've taken it apart and put it together a lot of times, in part for transport to and from shooting spots, in part while I was making modifications such as polishing feed lips, making a detent to lock the barrel nut in place more securely when fully hand tightened. So it's seen a tiny bit of wear, but not a lot. Couldn't think of any reason yours would behave in such an odd way.

Taking mine apart just now to check tolerances, I found that I can screw the barrel nut in about 4.5mm further without the barrel in place. There is no flange at the front end of the barrel nut threads, rather there is a small relief cut, then the ported tubular portion where you grasp it to tighten or loosen. I find it rather hard to believe that you've worn the smooth taper inside the back end of the barrel nut down more than 4.5mm. That would take millions of cycles with firm pressure every time, a degree of abuse no user is ever going to apply to this gun. So I'm very puzzled by your statment that it "bottoms out on the threads."

I'm wondering if you're locking the bolt back before installing the barrel? The bolt will push slightly too far forward, preventing the barrel from fully seating unless you screw the nut in with a lot of force, pushing against the buffer spring. Or perhaps there is some defect in your barrel or barrel nut, a dimensional issue which is uncommon from TNW? I have 2 barrels for mine with 2 barrel nuts (bought one as a backup, thankfully long before HiCal added another $100 to the price), and neither comes anywhere close to bottoming out, nor do I see how that is even possible. So I'm left to wonder if something else has gone out of adjustment. Perhaps one of the top two guide grub screws has wandered down into the bolt chamber too far... though I don't know how that could cause what you're describing, just guessing.
 
...I'm wondering if you're locking the bolt back before installing the barrel? ... Perhaps one of the top two guide grub screws has wandered down into the bolt chamber too far....

Those were my guesses as well. Looks like the OP hasn't been on CGN since shortly after my earlier post, maybe he got it sorted out.
 
I'll comment on my TNW Aero in 10mm. No matter how much I tighten the barrel nut, after about 10-15 rounds it loosens up and then I can wiggle the barrel. I'm at the point now where I bring a strap wrench with me to the range. Yes, I have the bold retracted when I tighten the barrel nut, but I'm not familiar with the "retaining screw" on top of the receiver. I'm at work now so I can't check, but maybe this is my problem.

I emailed TNW directly a couple of weeks ago, but never received a responce.

I was thinking about using blue loctite on the barrel nut - good idea or a bad idea? I'm generally shooting Remington green & white box factory 10mm ammo.

Thx for any ideas.
 
... I'm not familiar with the "retaining screw" on top of the receiver.

There are two large Allen socket screws along the top of the receiver, in threaded holes along the optics rail. If too loose or too tight they can cause issues with the bolt. They run in a slot along the top of the bolt, to prevent it rotating.

Anticipating the barrel nut problem, designing a latch to retain it when tightened was among the handful of modifications I thought about before even ordering the thing. It wasn't as high a priority as increasing the buffer weight with a tungsten rod, or replacing the buffer spring with a flatwire AR spring, or cleaning up the finish on any number of parts. Certainly not as important to me as modifying the trigger/sear such that pull weight dropped by about 40% and smoothed out completely, getting rid of the grittiness/unevenness many users talked about online. And there were other things I wanted to fix besides. But I could see that the barrel nut would work loose, and didn't want to have to think about that during a shooting session, so within a couple of months of getting the thing and having worked out all the other stuff, I made a latch. Here's what it looks like in action, without the barrel and nut in place:

TNW_barrel_nut_latch.gif


Seeing that the tiny ball bearing on a weak spring, held in place by a tiny grub screw, was insufficient to do any real retention - all it did was make little ratcheting sounds while screwing in or unscrewing the nut, with marginal force - my first effort had been to just thread the hole and use a bolt to tighten directly into the nut, marking the spot where it got tight through the hole, then drilling, then using a flat ended milling bit to level the bottom of the hole at about 3mm below thread peak. This is just outside the taper which presses back on the tapered flange on the barrel, so don't want to go too deep and come right through and contact the barrel. I found this worked, but was annoyed with having to get a tool to loosen the bolt, so added a lever to the bolt to make it toolless.

That worked fine, but looked ugly. so I thought about it some more, then came up with a sprung plunger. Made a little knob out of micarta, then made a little rod with a small threaded end after a narrow shank, with a wider tip at the barrel nut end. A spring with decent resistance was put on the narrowed shaft so it would fit through a large grub screw. I drilled the receiver then tapped for a 1/4"-20tpi grub screw with a hole drilled through for the shaft, turning a flat end on the grub screw for the spring end.

Assembled by threading in the grub screw with epoxy (JB Weld steel-filled) on the threads, inserting the rod from inside the receiver with the spring in place, pressing upwards to compress the spring then threading on the knob with more epoxy on those smaller threads at the end of the rod which I deliberately made sloppy such that finger tightening would work, the epoxy securing it well once cured.

The result is something outwardly very simple, just a little knob which doesn't get in the way of my scope. Pulling it up about 3mm frees the barrel nut to turn. I hold it up for 2 or 3 turns until clear of the rod when taking out the nut. Marking the position for the hole was easy enough - just screw in the nut as firmly as I could, then starting the hole through the factory hole in the receiver. Any number of designs might be used, but this seemed the most fool-proof. The barrel nut simply can't come loose until I want it to.
 
Might not be tho op’s problem, but I did learn with my ASR to make sure to turn/hold my barrel tight in the opposite direction of tightening the barrel nut. The spinning of the bullet, while travelling down the rifling, was unscrewing my barrel nut.
 
Might not be tho op’s problem, but I did learn with my ASR to make sure to turn/hold my barrel tight in the opposite direction of tightening the barrel nut. The spinning of the bullet, while travelling down the rifling, was unscrewing my barrel nut.

Not sure what difference that might make. The groove in the barrel above the chamber is fairly snug on the forward guide grub screw, maybe 0.3mm of play side-to-side. Sorry I was unclear about that thing earlier - one is for guiding the bolt, the other is to orient the barrel identically every time it's put in. If the forward one is turned too far, it'll block the barrel from going all the way in. If the rearward one is too tight, it'll prevent the bolt from sliding. Obviously one doesn't want either of them moving, once set, so blue Loc-Tite or similar compound is a good idea, as I found these tend to wander while shooting without it. They both have to be backed out for a thorough cleaning, to allow the bolt, buffer weight, and spring to come out the front, so re-application of a thread locking compound has to be part of the cleaning routine.
 
Sorry to hear it bud, that's frustrating.

To confirm, by barrel nut do you mean the threaded piece that floats on (and is retained on) the barrel assembly?

Do you have the bolt locked back and the retaining screw (on the top of the receiver) backed out while reinstalling the barrel?


Thanks,

Yes, the nut I'm talking about is the one that floats (and is retained on) the barrel assembly.

Bolt is locked back when installing the barrel. By the retaining screw, why would you back that screw out? I discovered the problem before I had ever touched that screw because it's supposed to be a tool free tear down, right?
 
Might not be tho op’s problem, but I did learn with my ASR to make sure to turn/hold my barrel tight in the opposite direction of tightening the barrel nut. The spinning of the bullet, while travelling down the rifling, was unscrewing my barrel nut.

Ya that's definitely not my problem. The barrel nut never comes loose. It always stays nice and tight but the barrel can still move a little.
 
Not sure what difference that might make. The groove in the barrel above the chamber is fairly snug on the forward guide grub screw, maybe 0.3mm of play side-to-side. Sorry I was unclear about that thing earlier - one is for guiding the bolt, the other is to orient the barrel identically every time it's put in. If the forward one is turned too far, it'll block the barrel from going all the way in. If the rearward one is too tight, it'll prevent the bolt from sliding. Obviously one doesn't want either of them moving, once set, so blue Loc-Tite or similar compound is a good idea, as I found these tend to wander while shooting without it. They both have to be backed out for a thorough cleaning, to allow the bolt, buffer weight, and spring to come out the front, so re-application of a thread locking compound has to be part of the cleaning routine.

I know what screws you're talking about. The loose barrel started occurring before I ever touched those screws. For cleaning I was removing the castle nut at the back of the receiver and pulling off the buffer tube.

I did set those screws with blue loctite.

The front one I set by putting the barrel in, tightening it until it bottomed out on the barrel, and the back just enough to be able to slip the barrel in and out, then I let the loctite set before shooting. Is this the correct procedure? I couldn't find much info online for how to set this screw.
 
I know what screws you're talking about. The loose barrel started occurring before I ever touched those screws. For cleaning I was removing the castle nut at the back of the receiver and pulling off the buffer tube.

I did set those screws with blue loctite.

The front one I set by putting the barrel in, tightening it until it bottomed out on the barrel, and the back just enough to be able to slip the barrel in and out, then I let the loctite set before shooting. Is this the correct procedure? I couldn't find much info online for how to set this screw.

Sounds exactly right to me. Taking the buffer tube off the gun to clean it is a lot less tool-free than loosening the two grub screws with an Allen key. Or at least it takes a specialized tool for the castle nut, compared to a very common Allen key size. But whichever you like.

The bolt will come out the front of the receiver for cleaning once you knock out the two lower retention pins. Those can be a bit sticky sometimes, and the Allen key is handy for pushing them out - they push back in with a thumb for reassembly. But as the buffer weight has no guide slot (because it wouldn't work unless it was somehow prevented from rotating while back in the buffer tube - it would cause a failure to close the bolt if rotated off-axis even slightly), the top two grub screws have to be backed out to enable removing the weight and spring, should you wish to do that. Of course things don't usually get so dirty back there. Here's my buffer weight pushing up against the rear grub screw to illustrate the point:

TNW_rear_retaining_pin.jpg
 
Yes, that's correct. I was only removing the buffer tube to clean behind the buffer weight. I only did that when I started having jamming issues.

A friend of mine told me I shouldn't touch the grub screws in the top of the receiver, so I didn't. But when I couldn't get the loose barrel issue to go away is when I reset their depths with loctite.
 
Sorry, I overlooked your suggestions and ended up repeating them, with more words. ...

No worries, we're all here to help. You've given a lot more useful detail.


...A friend of mine told me I shouldn't touch the grub screws in the top of the receiver, so I didn't. But when I couldn't get the loose barrel issue to go away is when I reset their depths with loctite.

It's possible that if the plunger was installed in the wrong orientation it could be causing the issue. You can check by removing the barrel assembly to see if the plunger is stuck "down" in the receiver threads.
 
It's a pin that is stepped down to different diameters on both ends.

To rule it out as an issue, you could remove it and see if it affects your current problem.
 
It's a pin that is stepped down to different diameters on both ends.

To rule it out as an issue, you could remove it and see if it affects your current problem.

Good idea. I honestly can't remember if I removed that detent before, and if I did, there's a possibility it could be backwards.

I will have to give that a try. I will see when I can get to it, hopefully tonight.
 
I have removed this detent/pin from the top of the receiver. The nut still bottoms out on the threads before the barrel is fully tight.

Uploading from my my phone I don't know how to attach pictures
 
That's too bad, I was hoping for an easy fix.

Maybe a dumb question, but have you checked for debris where the threaded portion ends inside the receiver?
 
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