Metis Harvester's Card

RightWingIndian said:
No kidding. Metis have never claimed any different. That's what our IDENTITY is based on. So what is pistol trying to get at?

I can assume it's a jab as to why Metis have different rights and I've explained it above.
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There was dispute within the Canadian Metis Nation not long ago regarding the Ontario Metis and the authenticity of it's Membership.
Yes the Michif Language owes it's roots to the French Language but is there Metis in Quebec? The Metis National Council and First Nations do not recognize historical Metis communities in Quebec. The Ontario metis claims are also contested by First Nations and the National Metis Council yet they are gaining traction with the Ontario Government under Truth and Reconcilliation apparently.
But NO there are no recognized historic Metis communities in Quebec and east of Quebec despite the Language of the Voyageurs being adopted and altered by the Metis.
I'll be starting my Michif Language lessons soon. Hope I can learn it as I had a real hard time grasping French wayyyyy backin highschool LOL
 
Georgian Pistol said:
Can someone explain how the Métis existed before ‘the white man’ came to North America
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well.... there were these people called the Voyageurs. They were made up of germanic, French, Irish, Scottish and a whole slew of nationalities.... the commonality is that they were all mostly white, despite being of different countries of descent. Those people came here long before the forming of Canada and settled amongst the differing Native cultures. These were the days of the early fur trade and the Hudson's Bay Company.
The children born of Voyageurs and First Nations began the bloodlines of the Metis Peoples.
 
45ACPKING said:
There was dispute within the Canadian Metis Nation not long ago regarding the Ontario Metis and the authenticity of it's Membership.
Yes the Michif Language owes it's roots to the French Language but is there Metis in Quebec? The Metis National Council and First Nations do not recognize historical Metis communities in Quebec. The Ontario metis claims are also contested by First Nations and the National Metis Council yet they are gaining traction with the Ontario Government under Truth and Reconcilliation apparently.
But NO there are no recognized historic Metis communities in Quebec and east of Quebec despite the Language of the Voyageurs being adopted and altered by the Metis.
I'll be starting my Michif Language lessons soon. Hope I can learn it as I had a real hard time grasping French wayyyyy backin highschool LOL
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like in other places there is metis in quebec they have their own federation but not recognised with no status. most of the maniwaki habitants are metis and do not have first nation status ... the only reason i know that is when i was a game warden in quebec i worked with them.
 
There are many groups and individuals trying to claim they are Metis or "self identify" but unless they are recognized by the National Council and the First Nations groups of thier area..... it seems they are excluded. I'm no expert on the topic but that's what I understand anyways.

Fact is Louis Riel's vision for this land was that ALL inhabitants were to be Metis..... the natives and all peoples of the land..... Metis, with equal rights and privledges across the land.
This is in fact the way a great many Non Indigenous folks wish things were.... equal rights and privledges for all peoples of this land.
The Crown and Religion created a nation divided.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Good question, are we still allowed to ask that ? :redface:

Grizz
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I still don't understand what you mouth breathers are trying to get at. Metis means mixed. We've never said any different. If you are a true Canadian and your family was here back then it's your fault for not killing us off like men.
 
RightWingIndian said:
I still don't understand what you mouth breathers are trying to get at. Metis means mixed. We've never said any different. If you are a true Canadian and your family was here back then it's your fault for not killing us off like men.
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Wow,some attitude. Goes along way to reconciliation I am sure.
 
If these two had a child..........sorry to derail the thread. I'm Metis too, 8 generations back, but it means fu** all for any extra rights or privileges unless I was destitute, being a city dweller.

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RightWingIndian said:
I still don't understand what you mouth breathers are trying to get at. Metis means mixed. We've never said any different. If you are a true Canadian and your family was here back then it's your fault for not killing us off like men.
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You’re white and it’s a racket. No offence meant but, it had to be said.
 
Did the German and Scottish voyageurs travel to the Metis settlements west of the rockies?

Supermario I think you're addressing the wrong poster :dancingbanana:
 
RightWingIndian said:
No one has answered my questions. How do you know what colour I am?
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Why does it matter?
Most Metis I know have much whiter skin colour than me. 30-40 years ago no one acknowledged the fact they were mixed race. Since special rights have come around everyone is fighting to be Metis and suddenly they're all oh so proud of their heritage. $$$$
 
There is as much division amongst us today as ever. It is coming to an end with plenty of affected parties knowing it. It is important however that we maintain the right to live how we choose.
DNA as I understand it tells us today ALL modern humans are related. Those people who arrived here 25000 years (or more) ago and those who arrived 11-12000 years ago and those who arrived 500yrs ago, all have the same lineage. Some will scream "blasphemy ". Typically because they're racist.
I used to have looonng conversations with a close elder friend of mine on this topic (RIP) and he'd agree. Ancient stories spoke about it.

Cultural practices are important IMHO for us to maintain however all cultural practices belong to all of us. Cultural appropriation is a recent made up term to support the continued division of our species. It doesn't exist.
What happens when our elected officials recognize the original settlers of this continent were related to everyone alive today? Oh the horrors!
Yes, as a species we have a terrible history of treating each other horribly, based on racism, ###ism, religion and any other number of forced categories groups were put into. It needs to stop and frankly I think now is a good time.

Cheers
 
conor_90 said:
Did the German and Scottish voyageurs travel to the Metis settlements west of the rockies?

Supermario I think you're addressing the wrong poster :dancingbanana:
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From what I can remember from my post secondary studies(university credits), there is another interracial ethnic group. However, they don't receive much recognition, they are English/Scots and Irish who impregnated female indians. They existed around the Winnipeg area, called "The New Country Born". HOWEVER, in Lower Canada (between Cornwall and Caughnawaga) there is a multitude of this group, who have reddish hair and blue eyes. BUT, they are classified as Treaty.............go figure?!?!
 
bearkilr said:
Why does it matter?
Most Metis I know have much whiter skin colour than me. 30-40 years ago no one acknowledged the fact they were mixed race. Since special rights have come around everyone is fighting to be Metis and suddenly they're all oh so proud of their heritage. $$$$
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People can claim whatever they like. I'm not sure about the other provinces, but in BC to join the nation you have to prove your ancestory. I don't understand why people are so confused by my posts. We had yahoos asking about if Metis existed before the French came here. OBVIOUSLY NOT, no one has said different.

I think it is WAY to easy to become a registered Metis, it goes on forever, at least in BC.
 
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