Metis Harvester's Card

Do full blood First Nations even recognize the Metis as a subculture? From what I'm told by friends "in the know",they aren't. If FN doesn't ,then,why should any one else?

Wait so now "we" care what natives think? It doesn't really matter what a full blood first nation think about Metis. Metis are a distinct group of people from the prairie provinces. Yes, we spread out like most people do. The biggest hit to Metis identity are the people that claim Metis have a claim from coast to coast. I think a lot of people need to brush up on Canadian history.
 
Do full blood First Nations even recognize the Metis as a subculture? From what I'm told by friends "in the know",they aren't. If FN doesn't ,then,why should any one else?

At this point are there any "full blood First Nations"? What does that even mean? Off the top of my head all the treaty card holders I know are at least 1/4 "white", does that not make them Metis?
 
At this point are there any "full blood First Nations"? What does that even mean? Off the top of my head all the treaty card holders I know are at least 1/4 "white", does that not make them Metis?

Metis is/was a distinct group. If a native (status indian) has a child with a white person they are not Metis.
 
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Denying Metis have a distinct identity is as ridiculous as claiming voyageurs were German and there were historic Metis settlements west of the rockies. This thread is a gong show...

Our country has certainly done wrong by the Metis people. Scrip, forced removals, etc, etc etc

The Powley test requires Metis people to be part of a recognized Metis community. Big difference between being a member of a Metis settlement in Northern AB, Sask or Manitoba and joining the BC Metis Nation because of one Red River ancestor 150 years ago...

I think a lot of people need to brush up on Canadian history..

History? All made up by the church and state you know :dancingbanana:
 
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Denying Metis have a distinct identity is as ridiculous as claiming voyageurs were German and there were historic Metis settlements west of the rockies. This thread is a gong show...

Our country has certainly done wrong by the Metis people. Scrip, forced removals, etc, etc etc

The Powley test requires Metis people to be part of a recognized Metis community. Big difference between being a member of a Metis settlement in Northern AB, Sask or Manitoba and joining the BC Metis Nation because of one Red River ancestor 150 years ago...



History? All made up by the church and state you know :dancingbanana:

This is from the early 1800's, what sort of names are Wentzel and Snyder?

"They told us that two of the loaded canoes, which stopped to repair below the Sault the evening before, had not yet arrived. We therefore told them to wait a couple of hours longer, at the expiration of which, if they did not arrive, we should proceed. Took a late breakfast, shortly after which we bade farewell to my friend M'Gillis, who accompanied us to the beach. Seeing no appearance of the two canoes, we ordered our men to make little use of the paddles; and as the day was remarkably fine, after descending a few miles, Wentzel, M'Neill, and I landed, and proceeded seven or eight miles on a good road running parallel with the river, until we arrived at an excellent tavern kept by a curious and eccentric person named Snyder, a German by birth"

"I derived much pleasure from the conversation of my two new compagnans de voyage, Messrs. Wentzel and M'Neill. The former had been upwards of sixteen years in the Indian country, principally in the department of Athabasca,and had obtained a thorough knowledge of the manners, customs, and language of the natives of that quarter."
 
The names of a Hudson Bay Company employees and an innkeeper on lake superior?

But yes I'll eat crow. Vast majority of voyageurs were "canadiens" and metis culture is a hybrid of French and Eastern First nations. Ever heard spoken Michif?
 
My metis friend is whiter than my white Irish ass..

I suppose you figure all Mexicans are "brown brown" too? You do realize people come in all different shades, right? I'm a white guy and yet the sun sticks to me like #### on a blanket...I'm often darker than lots of natives around here, yet there's just a splash 5 generations back. My wife is metis (ties to Batoche) and is white as a ghost. Should she be visually dark skinned to be an actual metis? Don't think being "kinda/somewhat brown" is a requirement for being metis.
 
A Metis woman I know told me "Metis women throw pups of different colours". Might not go down well in woker circles but the point stands and it's alright to say stuff like that if it's folksy right? :dancingbanana:

To be Metis legally you need to: self identify, be a part of a current Metis community (herein lies the can of worms) and have ties to an historical Metis community (like the secret ones west of the rockies ? :dancingbanana:)
 
There are many groups and individuals trying to claim they are Metis or "self identify" but unless they are recognized by the National Council and the First Nations groups of thier area..... it seems they are excluded. I'm no expert on the topic but that's what I understand anyways.

Fact is Louis Riel's vision for this land was that ALL inhabitants were to be Metis..... the natives and all peoples of the land..... Metis, with equal rights and privledges across the land.
This is in fact the way a great many Non Indigenous folks wish things were.... equal rights and privledges for all peoples of this land.
The Crown and Religion created a nation divided.

watch out if you bring the louis Riel card some will bring the french speaking card ...
 
I suppose you figure all Mexicans are "brown brown" too? You do realize people come in all different shades, right? I'm a white guy and yet the sun sticks to me like #### on a blanket...I'm often darker than lots of natives around here, yet there's just a splash 5 generations back. My wife is metis (ties to Batoche) and is white as a ghost. Should she be visually dark skinned to be an actual metis? Don't think being "kinda/somewhat brown" is a requirement for being metis.

I'm well aware, it was a joke. That you don't need to be darker skin to be native. I'm in a multi cultural family. Middle Eastern, Irish, African, probably some native in our family.
 
I'd bet back in the Fur Trade Days that there were more Hawaiians in BC than Frenchmen and there are known Hawaiian settlements.

And of course at Red River there were 4000 English Half Breeds, James Ross was their leader.
 
I'd bet back in the Fur Trade Days that there were more Hawaiians in BC than Frenchmen and there are known Hawaiian settlements.

And of course at Red River there were 4000 English Half Breeds, James Ross was their leader.

What are you smoking? Did they teach 2 plus 2 is 4 when you went to school?

That being said as a status indian and registered Metis in BC I will will say the Metis claim in BC is ridiculous. To say there were more Hawaiians than Metis in BC is beyond retarded. Are you one?


I can also tell the mods are letting this go so they can infract the unfavorable.
 
What are you smoking? Did they teach 2 plus 2 is 4 when you went to school?

That being said as a status indian and registered Metis in BC I will will say the Metis claim in BC is ridiculous. To say there were more Hawaiians than Metis in BC is beyond retarded. Are you one?


I can also tell the mods are letting this go so they can infract the unfavorable.

Your ignorance is showing. The fur trade in the Northwest was run from Fort Vancouver (Washington State) and Fort Victoria (Vancouver Island), supplies and communication were by Sea and Hawaiians were an intergral part of it. The HBC even had a Post in Hawaii.
 
My ex was Salish and white, her great grandmother was Hawaiian

Big population on SSI in the day, part of a triangle trade, VI, Hawaii, China. Salt, salmon, furs and ceramics iirc

One of the first guys to run the Columbia River was a Hawaiian, think he was with a Frenchman an English man in charge and a Iroquois hanging out. People got around during the fur trade
 
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