Swiss Arms-Owners speak up about what you dislike

m39a2 said:
I think that is the biggest complaint I hear and I agree. The Swiss and the Germans, why would you not make your rifle so that it took one of the most popular rifle magazines on the planet, the M-16!
Scott
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Why would you want to replace a completely reliable magazine & rocked-in seating system with one that is in fact semi-junk?

THE biggest flaw of the M-16 family of rifles is the magazine and seating system. A better question would be to querry why they haven't been fixed.

If I could find and re-load the brass that comes out of the Sig, I'd dump the AR in a heart-beat.
 
P of PDent said:
My biggest complaint is with the heavy barrel sniper model is that when Dianne and I go out for our seldom gopher shoots she monopolizes this rifle and keeps saying she needs more mags (loaded of course). Dianne doesn't shoot that often and considering this she is an wonderful shot and has been making gophers vaporize out to 200 yds. Phil.
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The world is a cruel place sometimes:p

I just dont like the fact that it chews up the finish next to the jection window. Then again, I'd rather have chewed up finish than a piece of velcro , on my rifle.
 
The fire control switch is difficult to engage.

The gas cylinder, piston head and gas regulator are horrible and time consuming to clean- it makes baby jesus cry to clean the gas system.

The system is generally too heavy for a rifle - at 9lb it is probably the world heaviest 5.56.

I don't like the heavily springloaded first stage of the trigger.

The mounting solution for the iron sight version is so antiquated. They should just forget it and made the rail version only.
 
1- Poor ergonomics.
2- Too heavy for the caliber... It would be the right weight if it was chambered in 7.62x51 NATO.
3- Magazines are good but ... they are expensive if you can find them and rocked-in seating is dumb.
4- Bipod could use a redesing: it is not great when open and can be a nuisance when closed as it does not lock well in place.
5- Rust easilly internally if not drenched in CLP.
6- Difficult to clean... But at least the rifle seems to keep shooting even with carbon build-up...
7- Destroyes fired cases and the finish gets damaged by ejected cases... Why not but a polymer deflector??
8- Expensive... If you happen to think it is not the bestest-rifle-ever...
9- Optimised for a type of .223 ammunition not readilly available.



Frankly I prefer my new Robinson XCR... The trigger on the XCR is terrible but still, the rifle shoots! I found it more accurate than the SIG (using the same scope). Of course, I did not try the super-duper Swiss ammo so I may not have gotten the most out of the SIG...

The sig is too heavy for an assault-rifle and is chambered in a caliber too small for a long range rifle... The worst of both world.
 
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For the guys who think the AR mag system is better than the SIG and/or guys who think the XCR is a better rifle...Dudes! Time to lay down the crack pipe! :onCrack::onCrack::onCrack:Holy Crap!!!:eek:
 
Shrapnel said:
1- Poor ergonomics.
2- Too heavy for the caliber... It would be the right weight if it was chambered in 7.62x51 NATO.
3- Magazines are good but ... they are expensive if you can find them and rocked-in seating is dumb.
4- Bipod could use a redesing: it is not great when open and can be a nuisance when closed as it does not lock well in place.
5- Rust easilly internally if not drenched in CLP.
6- Difficult to clean... But at least the rifle seems to keep shooting even with carbon build-up...
7- Destroyes fired cases and the finish gets damaged by ejected cases... Why not but a polymer deflector??
8- Expensive... If you happen to think it is not the bestest-rifle-ever...
9- Optimised for a type of .223 ammunition not readilly available.



Frankly I prefer my new Robinson XCR... The trigger on the XCR is terrible but still, the rifle shoots! I found it more accurate than the SIG (using the same scope). Of course, I did not try the super-duper Swiss ammo so I may not have gotten the most out of the SIG...

The sig is too heavy for an assault-rifle and is chambered in a caliber too small for a long range rifle... The worst of both world.
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Not really arguing but, have you weighed an XCR? I think it is all of 4 oz lighter.
Is the Swiss Arms rifle really harder to clean than an XCR?
Have you really had an issue with a Swiss Arms rifle rusting? I have had several folks suggest that the redish interior spots were rust, but they are in fact brazing compound. The rifles are as rust suseptable as any carbon steel firearm. I have never had to drench mine in oil to protect it, but then I don't live next to an ocean, so maybe I am missing something.
 
Aside from beating up brass, the Swiss Arms rifle is amazing.

I personally find it perfect for my needs. Not heavy, feeds perfectly, easy to fieldstrip, accurate, well built, collapsable stock which is still solid, and last but not least; the smoothest trigger found to date on a service rifle we can buy in here in Canada.

I find the overall maintence of a Swiss Arms a far lesser hassle when compared to an AR.

To each his own I guess.
 
I just said I liked the XCR better than the SIG... I know the XCR is heavy due to the long heavy barrel... A shorter, slimer barrel is standard originally. Simply, after owning and shooting both rifles, I just prefer the XCR... It fits me better, operates better and quicker... The only things better on the SIG, for me at least, is the trigger and the factory iron sights!
 
I agonized over spending the money, chose an XCR instead and am sorry now.
Don't be down on your Swiss Arms rifle - you know it's great.
 
Poor ergonomics ? That's funny, why because you can't reach the safety?

Being able to put the safety on when cocked or not cocked is fantastic. Much safer than other designs. Most all HK weapons allow the safety to be put on regardless of the condition of the bolt (execpt the 416, one of it's few flaws). The rifle is a bit heavy but a very rugged weapon is achieved. That's the trade off between lighter designs such as the AR 15 / M 16.

There is a major flaw. Lack of real time training in clearing stoppages. In over 8000 rounds I have only had one stoppage. If it stops firing I will be in so much shock I may not know what to do.

The gas system gets very dirty but will keep shooting for thousands of rounds in all conditions.

Rich
 
Oh yeah, the biggest issue on the Swiss rifle is that the manufacturer took the distribution rights for Canada away from TSE and gave it to Rob Nichols.

Also, it would be ideal if more carbines and CQB's were readily available rather than being so infrequent.
 
Shrapnel said:
I just said I liked the XCR better than the SIG... I know the XCR is heavy due to the long heavy barrel... A shorter, slimer barrel is standard originally. Simply, after owning and shooting both rifles, I just prefer the XCR... It fits me better, operates better and quicker... The only things better on the SIG, for me at least, is the trigger and the factory iron sights!
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The trigger seems to be an issue for some on the XCR. Personally I don't find mine that bad, though it took a few hundred rounds to get that way. Either way, RA has said they will be putting out a match-grade trigger soon.
 
The problem is that the XCR is going to be history soon when the Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada hits the market in the 2nd quarter(maybe 3rd with the mandatory delay) I absolutely see no reason why I will even be bothered with XCr when the ACR is avaible.

Personally, I think Robarms is better off selling the RAV in 7.62X39mm taht uses AK mags, because I can see that the days of XCR is numbered - or they might go back to produce the Stone 63 clone, with a belt felt version.

The C-prod 7.62X39mm looks screwed up- because the AR style magazine imposes a straight section in the magwell versus the AK mag is a constant curve.
 
I actually like the AR system - I can get a quick idea of the condition of the hammer by attempting to switch to "safe". THe rifle cannot have a live round in the chamber with the hammer down....of course the normal "range" procedure is always the safety precaution of inspecting chamber. I think tAR is actually safer if people are programmed to put safety on whenever they are not firing. The SG can be put on safe if even it is loaded and ready. If you expect an AR to be unloaded and try to put safety on, you will get the signal right the way that something is screwed up when the swtich flips to safe.



Rich LPS said:
Poor ergonomics ? That's funny, why because you can't reach the safety?

Being able to put the safety on when cocked or not cocked is fantastic. Much safer than other designs. Most all HK weapons allow the safety to be put on regardless of the condition of the bolt (execpt the 416, one of it's few flaws). The rifle is a bit heavy but a very rugged weapon is achieved. That's the trade off between lighter designs such as the AR 15 / M 16.

There is a major flaw. Lack of real time training in clearing stoppages. In over 8000 rounds I have only had one stoppage. If it stops firing I will be in so much shock I may not know what to do.

The gas system gets very dirty but will keep shooting for thousands of rounds in all conditions.

Rich
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greentips said:
The problem is that the XCR is going to be history soon when the Bushmaster ACR/Magpul Masada hits the market in the 2nd quarter(maybe 3rd with the mandatory delay) I absolutely see no reason why I will even be bothered with XCr when the ACR is avaible.

Personally, I think Robarms is better off selling the RAV in 7.62X39mm taht uses AK mags, because I can see that the days of XCR is numbered - or they might go back to produce the Stone 63 clone, with a belt felt version.

The C-prod 7.62X39mm looks screwed up- because the AR style magazine imposes a straight section in the magwell versus the AK mag is a constant curve.
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Why is the XCR going to be history? I dunno why everyone thinks that all of these new rifles (ACR, XCR, SCAR, etc.) can't exist together? When the ACR and the SCAR come out there will no doubt be lovers and haters; and I'm sure a lot of these opinions will be backed by nothing more than brand loyalty and brand image. I hope the ACR does well, the more rifles that better!
 
QYV said:
Why is the XCR going to be history? I dunno why everyone thinks that all of these new rifles (ACR, XCR, SCAR, etc.) can't exist together? When the ACR and the SCAR come out there will no doubt be lovers and haters; and I'm sure a lot of these opinions will be backed by nothing more than brand loyalty and brand image. I hope the ACR does well, the more rifles that better!
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Alex Robinson has burned a lot of bridges with the "black rifle" crowd here in North America, especially over his backing of Mitt Romney for President and his outright ignorant/derisive responses to many customers who pointed out Romney's anti-gun track record.

In the age of the computer, there are certain things you can't take back, just ask Jim Zumbo! Alex, stepped on his #### in a big way when he made fun of the guys on AR15.com who were pissed at him. You don't piss off a board with tens of thousands of active members and who belong to dozens of other boards/forums.

He might continue to have a market here in Canada because his rifles are non-restricted, but there are more than a few pissed-off Canadian gun owners who bought his previous rifle, the M96 with the promise that a belt fed/top mag feed options were just around the corner. Didn't happen. After handling the XCR, I think the M96 was a nicer rifle.

At the same time, when the Mapul Masada/Bushmaster ACR, and the FN SCAR variants come on-line, what little novelty the XCR had is going to disappear. I know I'd drop coin on either the ACR or SCAR before I'd drop a dime on the XCR.
 
X-man said:
Alex Robinson has burned a lot of bridges with the "black rifle" crowd here in North America, especially over his backing of Mitt Romney for President and his outright ignorant/derisive responses to many customers who pointed out Romney's anti-gun track record.

In the age of the computer, there are certain things you can't take back, just ask Jim Zumbo! Alex, stepped on his #### in a big way when he made fun of the guys on AR15.com who were pissed at him. You don't piss off a board with tens of thousands of active members and who belong to dozens of other boards/forums.

He might continue to have a market here in Canada because his rifles are non-restricted, but there are more than a few pissed-off Canadian gun owners who bought his previous rifle, the M96 with the promise that a belt fed/top mag feed options were just around the corner. Didn't happen. After handling the XCR, I think the M96 was a nicer rifle.

At the same time, when the Mapul Masada/Bushmaster ACR, and the FN SCAR variants come on-line, what little novelty the XCR had is going to disappear. I know I'd drop coin on either the ACR or SCAR before I'd drop a dime on the XCR.
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People disliking the XCR because of Alex is a totally different story. I'm sure that by far the biggest problem most people have with the XCR is that its made by Robinson.

Ya, I personally think that Alex using his company to voice his political beliefs was incredibly stupid; as was the way he defended himself. Really though, I don't think the fallout is going to be as bad as a lot of people think. The people who hate Robinson will continue to hate Robinson. There is no doubt more haters now than before, but the world doesn't begin and end on the internet. It's a shame that he tarnished the XCR and his company in the process.
 
I could care less about brand loyalty when it comes to rifles. The XCR is a piece of sh!t. I wouldn't spend $1200 never mind $2300 or whatever they are going for.
As far as the XCR being more accurate than a Sig....sure let's see it.:jerkit:
 
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