Rugger PC

I've got all kinds of calibers with all kinds of optics, but I still love my beat up old iron sighted Cooey 60 that I still can headshot a squirrel at 50 paces.
I also put an LPVO on a Ruger PCC that'll take gophers at 100 yards no problem.
Variety is the spice of life.
 
GerardSamija said:
A rat drops just as dead with a precisely delivered brain shot using a .177" pellet as an elk drops dead using a .308" bullet through the heart. Learn anatomy. Learn to make cloverleaf groups on paper at ranges appropriate to whatever calibre you're shooting with. Every one of these airguns/firearms are just tools for different scales, not much point in di¢k, however much bigmouth seems to enjoy pushing such an effort.
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He is the site troll.
 
alpining said:
With any supersonic ammunition, I agree with you.

But when shooting outdoors, with any standard/subsonic 22LR out of my 24" barrel bolt action, it is seriously quiet. Definitely no hearing protection required. Unless you have some kind of hearing sensitivity issue, I guess.

For 20" barrels, it's probably quiet enough for most people.
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Hope you like tinnitus... Silencer Central says a Ruger 10/22 is aprox. 140db. Meanwhile 120bd is enough to cause instant damage and 85bd sustained is also enough to cause damage... Sure your longer barrels will bring that down a bit but nowhere near low enough to actually be hearing safe.

Of course lots of gun owners ####ed their hearing ages ago and so they think stuff is quieter than it is...
 
Suther said:
Of course lots of gun owners ####ed their hearing ages ago and so they think stuff is quieter than it is...
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A good friend who served in the US military for 17 years is like that. Shot since childhood. He prefers text chats, as if we talk in person he has to watch my mouth move to understand me. And has the tinnitus thing besides. I'd prefer to avoid that.
 
Gindryden said:
LOL even though you were the one to start the "measuring" I didn't think you would be able to answer that. Some of us "oldies" have been, and still are, shooting a full range of calibers, and use the proper gun for proper game. You seem to think that having a big caliber has some sort of image of "manly" strength. Comparing a .22 cal to "barely above the strength of an air rifle" would indicate to me that you don't have enough experience to participate in an informed debate so I will leave it at that and move on.
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I feel like you can tell a lot about someone's marksmanship skills based on their opinion of the lowly 22lr...

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Suther said:
... Silencer Central says a Ruger 10/22 is aprox. 140db. ...Sure your longer barrels will bring that down a bit but nowhere near low enough to actually be hearing safe....
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I don't know what combination of barrel and ammunition and measurement position they're saying is 140dB. Do you have a link? I haven't seen any measurements taken at the shooter's position with subsonic 22LR out of a locked action of any barrel length, so can't make any numbers-based statements about it.

I can say that for the shooter, the difference in noise between a typical 10/22 with an 18" barrel and a bolt action with a 24" barrel is bigger than most people would expect. Honestly, I didn't realize just how much difference it would make until I tried it.

When shooting outdoors (with nothing to reflect noise back at you), a subsonic 22LR round out of a bolt action with a 24" barrel is seriously quiet. Hearing safe? I absolutely think so, and several noise-sensitive people I know agree with me. But I'll happily change my opinion if I ever find relevant numbers to the contrary.
 
Suther said:
140db is a 10/22 shooting cci SV.

https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/how-loud-is-a-gunshot-gun-db-levels-compared/

Even suppressed the 10/22 is putting out 110+dB, which according to the CDC is enough to cause hearing loss in less than 2 minutes of prolonged exposure.

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/hearing_lo...sured in decibels,immediate harm to your ears.
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Providing actual numbers is pointless. It's like trying to explain rising all cause mortality and neonatal mortality/stillbirth rates to a pro-vaxxer. Their eyes glaze over and they start a new topic as soon as you shut up. Doesn't matter if, as in this case, "seriously quiet" is a meaningless statement with several elements of context left out, such as career exposure to damaging noise levels. A person with advanced leprosy won't notice when they swing a hammer and miss the nail, smashing their own thumb. The nerves are gone, so lepers often lack digits. The damage is still being done, they just don't worry about it so much as they can't feel the consequences. For those with undamaged nerves, pain avoidance is plenty to keep our fingers and toes relatively protected. So it goes with hearing... if you don't hear it, it must be quiet, right?
 
I got this scope for my PCC - it's rock solid, beautifully clear glass with no distortion, and while quite heavy, that's because it's an FFP so the reticle zooms with the zoom level. Very good price which seemed appropriate for my budget PCC. It holds zero perfection from range session to range session, and I'm partial to 50 or 100 yards and seeing the holes as I make them, so the 10x is nice.

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But for the way the Ruger is set up, perhaps a long scope like that (and I use a Burris QD single mount) isn't appropriate. A friend uses a 3x prism scope on one of his Rugers, a Holosun red dot sight on the other. Lots of more compact and lightweight options available for 9mm PCC use. If I had a Ruger (instead of a TNW) I might be shopping for a 5x prism scope for it, to better suit the overall design.
 
Pringlescanopen said:
Going to purchase a 9mm carbine ruger (with the pistol grip). ANy suggestions on the scope I should buy?
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I am running a vortex crossfire red dot on mine. Pretty accurate and consistent up to 50 yards and can hit a 6 inch steel plate at 100 yards pretty consistently. I suppose the decision between scope and red dot (along with being a personal preference) is the distance you plan to shoot and how accurate you want to get at that distance.

I dont hunt much any more so mostly shooting at the range and find with open sights or red dot it is a bit more of a challenge shooting and adds in a fun factor. If you are simply range shooting, with a good scope, I find once you have it zeroed the fun is over and all you are doing is constantly punching the same holes in paper. If you are actually hunting with it and taking some longer range shots in open country well the scope/red dot decision is easy.
 
Gindryden said:
I am running a vortex crossfire red dot on mine. Pretty accurate and consistent up to 50 yards and can hit a 6 inch steel plate at 100 yards pretty consistently. I suppose the decision between scope and red dot (along with being a personal preference) is the distance you plan to shoot and how accurate you want to get at that distance.

I dont hunt much any more so mostly shooting at the range and find with open sights or red dot it is a bit more of a challenge shooting and adds in a fun factor. If you are simply range shooting, with a good scope, I find once you have it zeroed the fun is over and all you are doing is constantly punching the same holes in paper. If you are actually hunting with it and taking some longer range shots in open country well the scope/red dot decision is easy.
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Interesting stuff. Thanks, Gindryden. I will probably go with the scope as I plan to be outdoors a lot, but did wonder about the red dot, too.
 
Pringlescanopen said:
Interesting stuff. Thanks, Gindryden. I will probably go with the scope as I plan to be outdoors a lot, but did wonder about the red dot, too.
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I am running a Vortex Crossfire red dot on mine and it is boringly easy to hit steel at 50 yards, and with some practice pretty damn consistent at 100. Most of my shooting is competition based so rarely over 50 yards. If the bulk of your shooting is within 50, I would say a red dot is ideal, out to 100 regularly you may consider a scope a better choice, although a 3x magnifier behind a dot is also an option
 
Excuse me if this has been asked a million times.

What brand of 9mm ammo are people finding works reliably in the Ruger PC Carbine?
 
LinuxChild said:
Excuse me if this has been asked a million times.

What brand of 9mm ammo are people finding works reliably in the Ruger PC Carbine?
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The manual discourages using ammo with aluminum casing. Not sure why. I have never used it, but have seen Utubes of people who use it and it seems to shoot for them. All I have shot is lowest price brass 115 grain FMJ with the Ruger mags and have not had a problem with any of it.
 
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