Cricket 410 'My First Shotgun' chamber question
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That "new" to me! I had heard of lengthening a forcing cone to reduce recoil in a shotgun - but that is typically not actually called the "chamber" - just a wild guess, but maybe the chamber is somewhat oversize - using powder energy to expand the case to fit chamber instead of propelling the shot forward? There has to be a relationship between weight going forward (gases plus shot plus wad(s) at certain speed, friction along barrel and speed of that weight of firearm going rearward - might also include time for each stage in each direction - I do not think a recoil pad can "absorb" recoil - but, I think it can spread out the time that the recoil is transmitted to the shooter??
If there is actually a thing called a recoil reducing chamber design - not just some marketers B.S. - then that would be a significant breakthrough, I would think?
If there is actually a thing called a recoil reducing chamber design - not just some marketers B.S. - then that would be a significant breakthrough, I would think?
I have one of those from Charles Daly with 14 in barrel. Took a few shots from it and it is pretty light kick and reasonable spread for the length of the barrel. Bit of a gimmick gun I thought i would use for a backpacker
FYI It is far from beginner gun. Once a shell is in the chamber and the gun is closed it is live and your only save is the safety itself. There is no trigger to uncock etc. I would not give this gun to a beginner without a LOT of training and council.
FYI It is far from beginner gun. Once a shell is in the chamber and the gun is closed it is live and your only save is the safety itself. There is no trigger to uncock etc. I would not give this gun to a beginner without a LOT of training and council.
Falconflyer
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Their "upgraded soft rubber recoil pad" doesn't look thick enough to absorb much recoil, good thing a 410 has very little recoil! The "special recoil reducing chamber" thing is intriguing though, not sure what that is but if they have discovered the secret then they better have a patent on it.
Does the one you have specifically mention a recoil reducing chamber?
Reliable Gun has these on sale for their big sale coming up, was thinking I might want to get one for the kiddos rather than chopping to stock on my $100 turkish single shot 12ga that I have a 410 adapter for...
If it did I do not remember. It was less than $150 so never really paid any attention to details. just thought it might be a good "just in case" gun to carry on my ATV etc.
Could it be they refer to "Backbore Technology"...?
From Browning's website:
"Browning was the first firearms company to offer factory back-boring to shotguns for reduced recoil and improved patterns. Back-boring increases the inside bore diameter to its ideal, maximum allowable specification. This reduces friction between the shot cup and the barrel, allowing the energy developed by the powder to propel the shot pellets to a higher velocity."
https://www.browning.com/news/tech-terms/shotgun-back-bored.html
From Browning's website:
"Browning was the first firearms company to offer factory back-boring to shotguns for reduced recoil and improved patterns. Back-boring increases the inside bore diameter to its ideal, maximum allowable specification. This reduces friction between the shot cup and the barrel, allowing the energy developed by the powder to propel the shot pellets to a higher velocity."
https://www.browning.com/news/tech-terms/shotgun-back-bored.html
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I guess grumpy old guy has to wonder if someone can not handle "normal" recoil of a "normal" .410 shotgun, maybe that person should not be involved with them - take up knitting, if they can avoid poking self with the pointy ends. Sounds like a bunch of marketing B.S. to get a buyer to buy that "improved chamber" product.
^^^
I don't believe too much in whatever is claimed for "built-in recoil reduction". There is pysical parameters of a gun/shooter combo that define recoil, such as weight, load,... and fit of the gun for the user is IMHO one of the most important.
Short story...
I got a 20 ga. semi for the kid when she was 12 years old. It had a shorter LOP (around 11") and I thought the gas operated semi would take some recoil away as well. Upon arrival I prepped the gun for test firing. Out to the gravel pit - and Jeepers - that thing was kicking me like an angry mule on steroids. First thing I thought was "she's not gonna like shooting after firing off this thing", lol. So, I explained my observations but she was set on trying it out. First shot and ... low and behold - I hear "It's not bad at all, Dad". She is still shooting the gun 6 years later but with a slip-on recoil pad which increases the LOP matching her grown size.
As for me, I have never again used that "beast" of a gun
I don't believe too much in whatever is claimed for "built-in recoil reduction". There is pysical parameters of a gun/shooter combo that define recoil, such as weight, load,... and fit of the gun for the user is IMHO one of the most important.
Short story...
I got a 20 ga. semi for the kid when she was 12 years old. It had a shorter LOP (around 11") and I thought the gas operated semi would take some recoil away as well. Upon arrival I prepped the gun for test firing. Out to the gravel pit - and Jeepers - that thing was kicking me like an angry mule on steroids. First thing I thought was "she's not gonna like shooting after firing off this thing", lol. So, I explained my observations but she was set on trying it out. First shot and ... low and behold - I hear "It's not bad at all, Dad". She is still shooting the gun 6 years later but with a slip-on recoil pad which increases the LOP matching her grown size.
As for me, I have never again used that "beast" of a gun
Falconflyer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
That's a real good point and one I mentioned previously, the 410 recoil isn't exactly something to be feared but I get it.. less is better. Marketing gimick I'd say....
It would be purchased for my children, so recoil does matter.
Equally as important to me, I like knowledge, so when I see something like "special recoil reducing chamber" in ad copy, it makes me wonder wtf that means.
Its not cheap, but I can't exactly drop a 12ga into my 9 year olds arms so....
I could, but their arms are much too short for an adult size 12ga, which is all I have currently.
I don't think I'm going to make the trek out to Reliable just for a 410 shotgun, so we'll see whats leftover tomorrow when the online sale goes live... They've got the Tuffy 410s on sale too, might grab one of those instead...
Meh I really wonder how much they could effect recoil and if it was that effective you would think it would be done on the bigger gauges first. Sounds more like a “new and improved” laundry soap commercial to get people to buy a youth gun you don’t really need. It may make a difference but likely it is imperceptible to the average shooter.
