Is long range hunting fair chase? Ethical??

Is long range hunting ethical and fair chase?


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Very few new normal range hunting cartridges being brought to market. Lots of long range fast twist stuff though. Giving the market what they want. The ability to pretend to be a sniper.

Are more necessary? 338 Lapua and 50 BMG have been around for a long time and do the job very well
 
B&C really shouldn’t have much to worry about, not a lot of trophies shot at LR, it is however a great tactic for dink bucks and fawns etc. Trophy hunters who are successful year after year or most years aren’t shooting game at LR for the most part anyways.
 
It is no more unethical to not have great "hunting" skills but great shooting skills than it is to have great "hunting" skills and not great shooting skills.

I see this all the time at the range in the early fall leading up to season opener, more offer than not the “groups” I see from the hunter crowd fall into the good enough catagory. The shooters that hunt are the ones concerned with accuracy, guess which one I have more faith in when making a solid ethical hit is concerned?

Spoiler, it wasn’t the guy I ran into one spring making a Hail Mary shot at a big black bear 500-600m up a cut block. The bear ran off but he had no real clue if he made a hit or miss, nor did he climb up to check for a blood trail.
 
I look at it this way. I shoot within my comfort zone where I feel confident I'll place my shot effectively. The quarry doesn't know if the bullet came from 20 yards away or 700 yards away(I can't see that far, just an example). Dead is dead so lets just let each hunt the way they want and stop bickering over particulars of what each person perceives as ethical or fair chase because as the saying goes "opinions are like a _ _ _ _ _ _s, everyone has one.
 
IMO, the only thing that really matters is if the one squeezing the trigger "knows" that they can make the clean and fatal shot... not "hopes" they can make the shot. We can let each hunter decide that for themselves and live with the consequences, good or bad.
 
I think it is rich when B&C talks about how hunters are viewed by others when their scoring program makes antler size into a competition.

In fairness they try to keep records to honour the animal but it can be viewed as promoting the hunter for sure.
 
What does B&C say about running shots?

https://www.boone-crockett.org/hunt-ethic-0

It is incumbent upon the hunter to develop and practice skills in marksmanship. Then, in the case of big game hunting, the hunter gets within a distance of the prey that will ensure a killing shot and, then, shoots straight using adequate weaponry to ensure an immediate death, or at least a quick and assured recovery. Shots are taken only within distances the hunter has demonstrated the ability to consistently deliver the bullet/arrow on target. It is best, by far, if the targeted animal is standing or lying versus moving—especially running—when the shot is loosed. There should be adequate light and light-enough wind to allow accurate shooting and, if necessary, the tracking and dispatching of wounded prey. If any are in doubt, fair chase (ethical) hunters let the opportunity pass. If the animal is wounded, it is essential to pursue and dispatch the animal quickly and learn from the experience as to not be repeated.
 
I'll tell you, I sure wished I was confident out to 700rds. I spent 8 days chasing a herd bull elk in the East Kootenays this past Sept. Closest I could close the distance and see him in my cross hairs was 700yrds across to the next mountain ridge. The amount of miles, blood sweat and tears I put into that hunt I would not have felt less of a hunter to take that elk at 700yrds.
 
Ethical - depends on a Guy's skill and equipment

Fair Chase - at some point it is not.

"Fair chase" is about as ambiguous as "ethics"
Both are emotion driven.
For instance ,take a look at the various hunting regulations across Canada .
Baiting of bears and deer- no baiting, 22 centerfire- no 22 centerfire, blood trailing with dogs- no blood trailing of dogs, hunting over hounds- no hunting over hounds.
it never ends and the opposition is never science or fact based.
Cat
 
I'll tell you, I sure wished I was confident out to 700rds. I spent 8 days chasing a herd bull elk in the East Kootenays this past Sept. Closest I could close the distance and see him in my cross hairs was 700yrds across to the next mountain ridge. The amount of miles, blood sweat and tears I put into that hunt I would not have felt less of a hunter to take that elk at 700yrds.

Well, you know the old adage...."It's better to have it and not need it, than to need to it, and not have it".

A hunter that can be successful at both short and long distance is an "Accomplished Hunter" not a "lesser hunter" JMHO though :)
 
So at what distance should a hunter consider it respectful to kill an animal? What distance is not respectful? Why?

Just curious. I know what my personal limitations are.

Buckmastr knows your limitations as well. Just ask him.

There isn’t a more humble or noble hunter upon the land than him. Reread this thread if you don’t believe me.
 
"Fair chase" is about as ambiguous as "ethics"
Both are emotion driven.
For instance ,take a look at the various hunting regulations across Canada .
Baiting of bears and deer- no baiting, 22 centerfire- no 22 centerfire, blood trailing with dogs- no blood trailing of dogs, hunting over hounds- no hunting over hounds.
it never ends and the opposition is never science or fact based.
Cat

Yes, many hunting laws are completely arbitrary.

And yes, at some distance it is no longer Fair Chase.
 
Yes, many hunting laws are completely arbitrary.

And yes, at some distance it is no longer Fair Chase.

At what distance does a high power centre fire rifle gain un unfair advantage over a deer? Or is it the power ring on your scope that does that? Your 10x binoculars maybe? Or is it the $120,000 truck that got you there the culprit?
 
Boone and Crockett are trying to place a cap on shooting distance. Gun and ammo manufactures, accompanied with individuals and groups who are promoting extreme long distance killing, B&C are intervening to limit a distance as fair chase. Personally, extreme long distance killing is not hunting, it's killing.
 
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