9.3x62 for 9.3x57 brass

Hmatt - Go here: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2166654-9-3x57-sloppy-chamber?highlight=9.3x57 Post #25 in that thread has a picture of a cerrosafe cast that I did onto this 9.3x57 chamber, compared to a re-formed 8x57 into 9.3x57 cartridge, and a 285 grain gas-check bullet - objective of that picture was to show that the bullet would be fully out of the case, before the fat part of the bore-rider bullet hit the lands. You might want to read through that entire thread to form your own opinion.
 
I prefer using 30-06 brass for my 9.3x57. Easy to source and my 96 had a headspace issue so I could customize the longer brass to the chamber. I use leverevolution with Ppu 285 with great results

Did you use ground steel headspace gauges to determine that? If so, what brand and where did you get them?? Some years ago, I was messing with one - could not find any North American maker listing headspace gauges for 9.3x57, and if I recall correctly, Norma, at that time, and CIP, did not give same numbers for me to get one ground. Is that led me to make brass to fit that chamber - without reference to anyone's dimensions or specs. I decided that rifle was only going to be firing ammo that I made, since I have never seen any factory 9.3x57 ammo to buy, and whether my loads fit to someone else's rifle was (and is) of no concern to me.
 
I used 30-06 Winchester brass to make 50 cases for my x57 and 50 for my x62,

The 9.3x62 works well.

BUT, for the 9.3x57, the neck is too thick to be safe in one rifle - OK in the other.

For the 57, using the shorter 8mm brass is the answer, The necks are the correct thickness.
 
The easiest road to 9.3X57 brass that fits the chamber of your particular rifle perfectly, is to first anneal and then neck up 8X57 brass to 40 caliber.

Then resize the now-straight brass to 9.3X57, BUT DO NOT FULL LENGTH RESIZE. Start first with the die turned up at least a full turn from touching the shell holder.

After making sure you have the case behind the extractor hook, try to carefully chamber the resized case in the rifle. The bolt handle clearly will not go all the way down because the neck is too short. That’s fine.

Now, turn to die down about half a turn, resize the same case again, and try to chamber it. The bolt handle will go down a bit further, but not likely all the way yet. Again, that’s fine.

Turn the die down just a bit more, and try chambering again. After you do this several times, you will arrive at a place where the neck is long enough to allow the bolt to just barely close all the way down. You now have a case that fits perfectly in that chamber.

Set the lock ring on the sizing die to keep that position, and resize another case. It will also be a crush fit when you try to chamber it if you have set the lock ring correctly.

Carry on to resize the rest of your brass, trim and chamfer the case mouth just enough to be square, and you’re ready to load.

Have never needed to shorten the length of the resized brass. They become shorter with the neck being enlarged.

No need to fireform the brass either. Just load and go. Whatever you do, don’t use reduced loads in this cartridge. This will only shorten case life.

I have reformed hundreds of 30-06 brass to 9.3X62, and a few dozen 8X57 cases to 9.3X57 using this method with nary a problem. Like Ganderite however, found that using 30-06 to make 9.3X57 cases ended up with some too thick in the neck to chamber at all after bullet was seated. This is because the shoulder area of the 30-06 brass becomes part of the neck when resized, and makes the neck brass too thick.

One more thing, Ball C2 is magic in the 9.3X57. No trick at all to have 285 gr bullets loaf out of the muzzle at close to 2200fps. That’s a bit more than the original factory loading of the 9.3X62 which was used successfully on everything, and established the reputation of the 9.3X62 in Africa.

Ted
 
I used 30-06 Winchester brass to make 50 cases for my x57 and 50 for my x62,

The 9.3x62 works well.

BUT, for the 9.3x57, the neck is too thick to be safe in one rifle - OK in the other.

For the 57, using the shorter 8mm brass is the answer, The necks are the correct thickness.

I've heard the cartridge faces are slighty different in diameter on the two, 30-06 vs 7.92x57 IS.

But, who knows...
 
I've heard the cartridge faces are slighty different in diameter on the two, 30-06 vs 7.92x57 IS.

But, who knows...

SAAMI sets the standards for USA produced stuff and CIP in Europe sets the standard for most European made stuff - is not random. 30-06 originally created by US military, like 20 years before SAAMI existed. 8x57JS was a German military round from about the same time - 1905 or so. If you are buying North American made ammo, it will be called "8 mm Mauser" - the name that SAAMI invented for that cartridge. Go here: https://saami.org/wp-content/upload...99.4-CFR-Approved-2015-12-14-Posting-Copy.pdf That is the SAAMI standards for cartridges and chambers - 8x57 rim is 0.473" -.010" diameter; 30-06 is the same. Note on those pages that the top diagram is the cartridge; the lower diagram is the chamber. CIP standards will have the same dimensions, but much higher pressure rating for 8x57JS, compared to USA 8 mm Mauser - but the two are physically identical size and shape. You can see that SAAMI specs a slightly smaller rim diameter for 9.3x62 and slightly larger for 6.5x55, and so on - those are NOT the same as 30-06, but pretty close.

European companies like Prvi Partizan made 8x57JS for European market and 8mm Mauser for North America - same brass, same bullet - typical that the 8x57JS throws bullet circa 200 to 250 fps faster than 8 mm Mauser. Go here: https://www.prvipartizan.com/rifle_ammo.php Note that when you select a cartridge, it shows the bullet part number among other things - and the velocity and barrel length that they used - compare 8x57 IS (in Europe, that "J" is often written as "I") to the 8 mm Mauser ammo that is sold in Canada and USA.

Go here to see a chart comparing USA SAAMI and European CIP pressure standards - note that both organizations have used TWO methods to measure and report pressure - not the same to each other, so need to compare CUP to CUP and PSI to PSI ratings. http://kwk.us/pressures.html You can read in his notes toward bottom that is not any "official" entity's report - that guy has been gathering SAAMI and CIP pressures from various sources for years - put that all together on a chart for us to read and compare. I found some of his comments near the bottom to be fairly interesting.

Is not to say that every piece of brass made by anyone, ever, is going to fit those numbers - just will not be SAAMI (or CIP) compliant, if they do not. I am not aware of any military anywhere, that follows SAAMI standards - they set their own - often similar, but often not - so Swede's have set their own standards for 6.5x55 and produced it for like 30 years before SAAMI existed. Same with British and 303 British ammo. USA military was making and using 30-06 ammo long before SAAMI existed. I am sure there are many other examples.
 
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SAAMI sets the standards for USA produced stuff and CIP in Europe sets the standard for most European made stuff - is not random. 30-06 originally created by US military, like 20 years before SAAMI existed. 8x57JS was a German military round from about the same time - 1905 or so. If you are buying North American made ammo, it will be called "8 mm Mauser" - the name that SAAMI invented for that cartridge. Go here: https://saami.org/wp-content/upload...99.4-CFR-Approved-2015-12-14-Posting-Copy.pdf That is the SAAMI standards for cartridges and chambers - 8x57 rim is 0.473" -.010" diameter; 30-06 is the same. Note on those pages that the top diagram is the cartridge; the lower diagram is the chamber. CIP standards will have the same dimensions, but much higher pressure rating for 8x57JS, compared to USA 8 mm Mauser - but the two are physically identical size and shape. You can see that SAAMI specs a slightly smaller rim diameter for 9.3x62 and slightly larger for 6.5x55, and so on - those are NOT the same as 30-06, but pretty close.

European companies like Prvi Partizan made 8x57JS for European market and 8mm Mauser for North America - same brass, same bullet - typical that the 8x57JS throws bullet circa 200 to 250 fps faster than 8 mm Mauser. Go here: https://www.prvipartizan.com/rifle_ammo.php Note that when you select a cartridge, it shows the bullet part number among other things - and the velocity and barrel length that they used - compare 8x57 IS (in Europe, that "J" is often written as "I") to the 8 mm Mauser ammo that is sold in Canada and USA.

Go here to see a chart comparing USA SAAMI and European CIP pressure standards - note that both organizations have used TWO methods to measure and report pressure - not the same to each other, so need to compare CUP to CUP and PSI to PSI ratings. http://kwk.us/pressures.html You can read in his notes toward bottom that is not any "official" entity's report - that guy has been gathering SAAMI and CIP pressures from various sources for years - put that all together on a chart for us to read and compare. I found some of his comments near the bottom to be fairly interesting.

Is not to say that every piece of brass made by anyone, ever, is going to fit those numbers - just will not be SAAMI (or CIP) compliant, if they do not. I am not aware of any military anywhere, that follows SAAMI standards - they set their own - often similar, but often not - so Swede's have set their own standards for 6.5x55 and produced it for like 30 years before SAAMI existed. Same with British and 303 British ammo. USA military was making and using 30-06 ammo long before SAAMI existed. I am sure there are many other examples.

Not different enough to worry about. The 6.5 x 55 is considerably different, but the 7mm, 8mm, 9.3 x 62 are compatable with the .30-06 rim.
 
Did they require trimming? I'm making 9.3 x 62 from .30-06 and they require a substantial trim before loading.

Not in my experience. But I mostly used 30-06 brass (simply because I had a lot more of it) which is quite a bit longer and did (63mm vs 57mm). I never had any neck issues, but sometimes that is something you have to deal with when reforming brass. Rim sizes are close enough to work in all my rifles, 6.5x57, 7x57, 8x57, 8x60, 9x57, 9.3x57, 9.3x60, 9.3x62. Euro cartridge brass can be hard to find, so making it from common brass is an easy way to get shooting. Just make sure you mark it in some way. - dan
 
Has anyone had success trying this? I am entering a new chapter of reloading as I purchased a 9.3x57 but brass seems to be a bit of a hassle. All other aspects of the cartridge I have under control. Can a fella trim the 62 brass down then re size for 57?? Please try not to make me feel toooo stupid. Thanks in advance

It can be made pretty easily from 8mm mauser brass. Cheap and easy to find - that's the way I'd go. Intersurplus usually sells dies and brass for 9.3x57 - might be worth a look.
 
As several have mentioned the most convenient and straight forward method is to purchase some 8x57 Mauser brass and run them properly lubed through a 9.3x57 set of dies. I have made hundreds over the years and it has worked every time for me. Intersurplus have both in stock according to their website.
 
WELL I managed to find a unicorn reloading kit for this bad boy. Neck turning tool, dies , 30 once fired Norma 9.3x57 brass and 30 8x57 necked up! Problem 1 solved
Problem 2: load data! Any tips appreciated.
 
WELL I managed to find a unicorn reloading kit for this bad boy. Neck turning tool, dies , 30 once fired Norma 9.3x57 brass and 30 8x57 necked up! Problem 1 solved
Problem 2: load data! Any tips appreciated.
Whynot here has some loads that works great in his 9.3x57!! Might be worth talking to him!
 
Whynot here has some loads that works great in his 9.3x57!! Might be worth talking to him!

Awesome thanks! I’ve got 1lb of imr3031 I’m hoping is the ticket. I also load a lot of 4064. So I tend to stick with those 2 in my supplies. I’m also looking at 7x57s so maybe there’s a powder that tickles both of those cartridges.
 
Just replied to you PM, Hmatt.

Here’s a link I have posted and sent to a guys over the years.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=76602

Darryl is the most knowledgeable guy I am aware of with regards to the 9.3X57.

Ted
 
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I have loaded for a pair of 9.3x57s. 50 gr of 4064 was good(in mine). each rifle is deferent, so work up. I suggest 48 to 51 in 0.5 gr increments - say 3 of each.

If you want to try 3031, sane data, but 4 gr less.

You should get 2200 to 2250 with a 270- or 285 bullet
 
Will be interested to hear how you make out - I did not think one could drive lead cast bullets as fast as jacketed bullets - without excessive lead build up in barrel - but for you to tell us what happened?
 
Will be interested to hear how you make out - I did not think one could drive lead cast bullets as fast as jacketed bullets - without excessive lead build up in barrel - but for you to tell us what happened?

Sure I’ll update, between my uncle and I, our load data we figure these 38 gr 3031 should be in the 1600 fps range. Not going for any records here just getting used to it. This is my first adventure down the rabbit hole of obscure cartridges. The fellow was a real gentleman and threw in almost 150 270gr projectiles. Along with a lot of data of his experiences with each powder and bullet recipe. He liked 4895
But alas I do not have any.
 
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