IPSC Oversight

USP said:
If youve passed your BB and only shoot once in awhile..whats the problem.. to many rules and regs..lets not add more of them...
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no problem... my problem is if you do not shoot at all in say 10 years and have kept your membership current you can walk up to the line no worries... but if you leave the sport for say 4 years because you lost ur job and couldn't afford to travel and maintain IPSC membership (fill in any reasonable reason) and just shoot local club matches when you do try to return to the sport you would be required to take the BB again because of safety... How is this fair when the member who hasn't fired a shot in over 10 yrs is deemed safe??
 
USP said:
^your adding a level of unecessary BS to the game... if youve passed the BB...you shouldnt be mandated from shooting x amount of matches every year.. the 2 year number is arbitrary and not based on any evidence that skills have deteriorated during that time frame...
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exactly if you took the BB and passed you shouldn't be required to take it again... even if you left the Sport
 
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Are there alot of people who dont shoot in many years but keep their membership current? Do people really pay for over a decade and not use it?
 
I suppose as ive only been a member for a few years... ive never met them :). Last year I only went to one match though... so I suppose at this rate I could end up as one of the payers and not players...
 
USP said:
I suppose as ive only been a member for a few years... ive never met them :). Last year I only went to one match though... so I suppose at this rate I could end up as one of the payers and not players...
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you never know ... you could become so busy that you don't play for a year or 10 but rest assured as long as you pay your dues we consider you safe... unless you DQ 2x (i think 2 times could be more)in one year then off the remedial school you go
 
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stormbringer said:
Can you actually name anyone who keeps their R/O status and only works stats??

Otherwise why bring up an non existant problem.

Unless your mission is to alienate stats folks.......which would result in even more problems.
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Just food for thought. It's the gamer in me always looking for the angles
 
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USP said:
Are there alot of people who dont shoot in many years but keep their membership current? Do people really pay for over a decade and not use it?
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we have a member down here who hasn't shot since his Black Badge course 5+ years ago, and when was the last time Bud shot a match???
 
Lets not kid outselves here.. there are many other IPSC regions which do NOT have a BB course nor feel the need to make people "recertifiy" if they have not paid dues in a while.. so obvious the global body has spoken and agree that you are "safe" without a BB course.. now that opinion may differ within a particular region (like canada) but you can't ignore the rest of the world who have proven that they can be safe without it.. So the question comes down to more then just a practical safety issue..

It may be a legal issue within the region (but then why does Cowboy not require a BB like course??) there are also the management of shooters/classifications (but then why require a safety recert, to renew after a period away)..

I can't speak for why this current system exists. but what I can say, is that others are are doing fine both WITH and WITHOUT the current BB system. The only way it's going to be changed (if it's needed to be changed) is to get involved yourself and make it happen. one shooter sitting back complaining is not going to do anything to change or improve the current situation.
 
ckc123 said:
Lets not kid outselves here.. there are many other IPSC regions which do NOT have a BB course nor feel the need to make people "recertifiy" if they have not paid dues in a while.. so obvious the global body has spoken and agree that you are "safe" without a BB course.. now that opinion may differ within a particular region (like canada) but you can't ignore the rest of the world who have proven that they can be safe without it.. So the question comes down to more then just a practical safety issue..

It may be a legal issue within the region (but then why does Cowboy not require a BB like course??) there are also the management of shooters/classifications (but then why require a safety recert, to renew after a period away)..

I can't speak for why this current system exists. but what I can say, is that others are are doing fine both WITH and WITHOUT the current BB system. The only way it's going to be changed (if it's needed to be changed) is to get involved yourself and make it happen. one shooter sitting back complaining is not going to do anything to change or improve the current situation.
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Basically it comes down to this... Black Badge isn't going anywhere... it's a good tool... helps explain the rules and most of all it points out how to play safe...

If a past Canadian IPSC member looks to return after 5yrs that person needs to redo the BB course ... at the same time we have members who haven't participated at all in 5yrs or more but if they choose to participate they are free to whenever they choose to, without redflags going up.
I feel We need to change the way the BB rules are applied... either welcome back any past member who has taken the course successfully( and didn't leave because they DQ'd too many times and were required to redo BB) back into our ranks without having to redo the BB course or make all members shoot the same number of matches that are required for a remedial BB order ( if it's two DQ's a year then you must participate in 2 sanctioned matches...etc) as condition of membership... That is if safety is the paramount reason for requiring returning members to redo the BB. I think it's not the only reason but again it's only my opinion.
 
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Madness said:
we have a member down here who hasn't shot since his Black Badge course 5+ years ago, and when was the last time Bud shot a match???
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Is it causing you any personal distress that Bud isn't shooting? Do you feel less safe on the range?? Does it keep you up at nite???

You seem pretty pre-occupied with Bud...almost obsessive...

I do find it rather ironic that so many of you are putting this much thought in how to exclude people. Too bad you don't put an equal amount of thought in how to get these same people out to the range.
 
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Quigley said:
Is it causing you any personal distress that Bud isn't shooting? Do you feel less safe on the range?? Does it keep you up at nite???

You seem pretty pre-occupied with Bud...almost obsessive...

I do find it rather ironic that so many of you are putting this much thought in how to exclude people. Too bad you don't put an equal amount of thought in how to get these same people out to the range.
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You must be joking, right?
 
Quigley said:
Is it causing you any personal distress that Bud isn't shooting? Do you feel less safe on the range?? Does it keep you up at nite???

You seem pretty pre-occupied with Bud...almost obsessive...

I do find it rather ironic that so many of you are putting this much thought in how to exclude people. Too bad you don't put an equal amount of thought in how to get these same people out to the range.
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that's what I'm arguing for.... allow those past members back in with minimal costs and red tape to get them back on the range with us.... but if you make make them recertify because of Safety concerns.... you need to look within the ranks for same concern...

Making someone who already has passed their BB redo it at full cost make them feel not wanted and they will not want to come back and then who's excluding who??
 
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maxpig said:
Making someone who already has passed their BB redo it at full cost make them feel not wanted and they will not want to come back and then who's excluding who??
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Only after 5 years of absense...

  • Up to 2 years...you just have to reniew (membership fees only)
  • At 3 years you would need an Instrcutor assesment (and the Instrcutor will decide if any additional training is required) If no additional re-training is required...you just pay regular membership fees
  • At 4 years you need to retake the BB (discounted rate of $50 plus the membership fees)
  • At 5 years absense...is a full re-certifiction (no discounts on cost)
 
Quigley said:
Only after 5 years of absense...

  • Up to 2 years...you just have to reniew (membership fees only)
  • At 3 years you would need an Instrcutor assesment (and the Instrcutor will decide if any additional training is required) If no additional re-training is required...you just pay regular membership fees
  • At 4 years you need to retake the BB (discounted rate of $50 plus the membership fees)
  • At 5 years absense...is a full re-certifiction (no discounts on cost)
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I am aware of these and most of my posts used this criteria as basis in my arguement that there are no provisions for current members who pay but don't shoot for 4 yrs or more years... they aren't required to redo anything but heaven forbid you stop paying dues....

Since you felt that I didn't understand the policy and reposted it for me (thank you for that) please explain how someone who is current and hasn't fired a shot in our sport for last 4 or more years is more safe than someone who just walked away from our sport (or chose to participate in another shooting sport) for the last 4 or more years and wishes to rejoin our ranks??

The inequities here are very exclusive and not very inclusive.
 
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