The new NR NoDak Spud NDS 18SC
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Yes, I'd also take a 20" factory barrel, which PSA already makes in-house (just not on the JAKL platform yet) over a conversion that would likely cost $600+ based on past R to NR conversion prices from Marstar and Dlask. M16 came with 20" barrels, 5.56/.223 does very well out of 20". Most varmint bolt-action .223 are also 20" and longer in barrel length.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...o-1-7-a2-nitride-barrel-m4-ext-516444711.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...ged-stainless-steel-heavy-profile-barrel.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-20-hf-cl-mp-barrel.html
For reference, this is the 16" JAKL upper that PSA offers currently: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...56-nato-1-7-nitride-w-knurled-ch-bcg-fde.html
Adding around 2 to 4 inches to that barrel length would not make it look significantly worse or add too much weight, and most of us aren't using these rifles in CQB settings, we'd want it NR for crown land stuff, hunting and the range. Also factory PSA barrels are cold hammer forged, properly nitrided and chrome-lined. The longer 14.5/16 handguard of JAKL would look just fine with 18.5 or 20 barrels.
Also, another thing of note based on the photo of the prototype irunguns has released so far, the cut of the receiver looks like it would fit any JAKL upper just fine, as JAKL lowers are not an AR-cut lower, and fitting a JAKL upper on a normal AR lower requires a special lower kit to adapt it for JAKL upper. That would be an interesting development if it turns out to be the case.
A normal complete JAKL from PSA costs $1300 USD today for the longer barreled models. Add $200 for the change from JAKL lower to NODAK lower, maybe another $100 for factory 18.5 or 20inch barrels. Add $200-$300 USD irunguns import premium, maybe another $100-$200 for the effort they've put into this for years, and if they can bring this in for just under $2K USD, it'll have a major market here in Canada, and would basically kill off most sub-$3.5K CAD cope-ARs. If they cut the cost even further below $2K USD, it'll sell tens of thousands, especially if they sell through their Canadian site, with all the fees already included in the price.
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It's about trying to get this rifle built with the streamlined parts that PSA already mass produces, and they already make a 20" barrel for their retro/clone rifles in 5.56, CHF, nitrided and chromelined. Also, not having to pay $650 for a R to NR conversion aftermarket with potentially questionable performance and warranty problems down the line.
It will cost extra either way because AR barrels are not plug-and-play into the rifle, PSA would have to make 20" versions and press barrels into the extension which costs more for them and requires more work only for the Canadian market, 20" barrelled ARs do not have a large market in the US so there's no incentive to make large quantities.
I say again, AR barrels require re-fitting into the extension, AR barrels will not simply mount to the receiver like an AR-15. This is more work for PSA for the Canadian market when these could be banned tomorrow.
See greentips post and watch a strip down of the rifle, you will see the barrel extension.
Sure, but irunguns has already signaled PSA is not willing to do 18.5/18.6 inch barrels for this, thus the comment about irunguns partnering with DLASK and MARSTAR to do the conversions.
Look at this barrel, barrel extension and gas block:
I am already familiar with what they look like, as shown in the video above. My point was, if PSA is unwilling to make a NR version with the 470mm barrel length limit we have, they could fit the extension and gas block on one of their 20" AR barrels which they already produce in decent quantities. That would be far preferable to a NR conversion with this weird barrel extension and gas block done by a third party in Canada.
To each his own then. I was not a fan of the Bren 2 conversions done on the short pistol and carbine length gas blocks, especially at the $600+ markup. I would trust them with proven systems that have been around a while and they've worked with before, but not on a new proprietary one they have never worked on.
Edit: To add to this, I own a Dlask 1911 and TUF-22, and previously owned one of their modified 870 shorties. They've also handled NR conversions for me in the past. I 100% trust their abilities, but I'm just saying this is a totally unnecessary step for this particular rifle and platform when it can be all done in-house at PSA with parts they already produce for other rifles.
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100% this. PSA has far more manufacturing capability and won't fumble their own product. Too many cooks in the kitchen, just have a 20" slapped on it and truck them up, don't needlessly turn this into a complex mess of 4 B2C companies getting 1 rifle out to market who can all point fingers at each other when something ####s up.
K1LLswitch
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Sign me up for factory 20” as well.
AskMeAboutMyBandcamp
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Yeah the people who were freaking out when i suggested 20 inch barrels or classic lines instead of mall ninja #### make me lol.
20 inch barrels = what the round was designed for, and, more importantly, ARE ACTUALLY MADE BY PSA INSTEAD OF JUST BEING CANADIAN. Why convert stuff?? Just use factory bits!
