Why are there no .40 carbines for sale?
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They were never as popular as other chamberings, but you do see them sometimes. I've seen the TNW ASR and KelTec Sub2000 both in 40S&W available online recently.
Put a WTB ad out there, they are more effective than most people think. With the latest semiauto long gun ban announcement, there could be quite a bit of movement in the market.
Put a WTB ad out there, they are more effective than most people think. With the latest semiauto long gun ban announcement, there could be quite a bit of movement in the market.
I had a Sub2000 Gen2 in .40S&W. Just one person's opinion, but I wish I bought it in 9mm. The folding carbine was too light and the .40S&W round produced significant felt recoil. I sold it a couple of years ago.
That said, I have a plethora of .40S&W ammo bought for that gun and the fact that it has been fairly difficult to sell is probably indicative of the larger aspect that the caliber is just not as popular (and more affordable) than the more widespread 9mm. I would actually be interested in seeing another manufacturer introduce a .40SW offering for a carbine/PCC, but I suspect as others have indicated, the demand is not sufficient enough to warrant the cost of bringing it to market.
That said, I have a plethora of .40S&W ammo bought for that gun and the fact that it has been fairly difficult to sell is probably indicative of the larger aspect that the caliber is just not as popular (and more affordable) than the more widespread 9mm. I would actually be interested in seeing another manufacturer introduce a .40SW offering for a carbine/PCC, but I suspect as others have indicated, the demand is not sufficient enough to warrant the cost of bringing it to market.
As an owner of a FPC, I would agree with you. It is, in my view, a far superior firearm to the Sub2000 (not sure what Gen3 is like and I don't plan to get one) - I think if it was available in .40, I may have considered it. The FPC is about 1lb heavier than the Sub2000 - and adding 2 x full mags to the holders/compartments on the FPC will add extra weight and perhaps make shooting .40 a better experience.
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The Ruger PC Carbine was set to come out in .40 Slow & Worthless but was quickly discontinued before any kind of numbers could get out. Kel Tec did it for the Subway 2000 but it also was quickly discontinued because guns were cracking at the stock tube.
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Timely thread revival. I too was pondering why there aren't more offerings, 40S&W is an excellent round and becomes even more versatile when you explore its potential by reloading your own. I've been hoping for a Ruger PCC in 40 but haven't seen anything listed. I wish B&T would release some offerings in 40 caliber as well; the one gun I would buy tomorrow if it was available in this communist dump hole would be the CMMG Banshee in 40S&W. By all accounts its an excellent little carbine and is a riot to shoot.
1 simple word: Demand. There simply isn't much demand for a 40sw PCC. From a defensive angle If 9mm isn't enough, why go a tiny tiny step up when you can go to an AR platform or shotgun? From an economic angle a 9mm is cheaper to feed. From a cross-compatibility angle more people already have 9mm mags than 40sw mags.
There really isn't much that makes a 40sw attractive, unless you already shoot 40 and want a pcc to match.
There really isn't much that makes a 40sw attractive, unless you already shoot 40 and want a pcc to match.
Same, I have a ton of m&p40 mags and would love a FPC in 40
The reasons possible are :1)they already sold them to Mike in Canmore or reason 2) is they are not available in the EE because those who have them are holding onto them to sell to Mike from Canmore at a later date.
Then again ???
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Probably because 40 is a dead calibre, it doesn't justify the importer's investment. LE switched to 9mm, because it does exactly the same thing with less wear, less recoil and requires less practise. The wear factor on a carbine with a longer barrel is significant. For civilians, ammo cost, recoil, parts availability, all play a role.
Agree, and I know there will be .40S&W shooters who would vehemently disagree. After I sold my .40SW Sub2000, I tried to unload my .40 ammo. Unless I gave a significantly deep discount (like 50% - 70% off the current value, which I wasn't willing to give), the ammo just did not sell, here or elsewhere. That speaks to supply and demand as I have had no problems selling 9mm, 45ACP, 357Mag and 38Sp. I would think there may be more excitement for a PCC that shoots 357/38sp - a lot more cross-compatibility.
Of all the gun owners I know, very few of them have .40SW guns. Maybe 20 years ago it was a different trend, but 9mm is like VHS whereas .40SW was Beta. I don't hate .40, but from a cost, availability and compatibility perspective buying, using, selling and trading 9mm guns and ammo is just easier all around
I would find a .40 on the PC Carbine interesting especially on the barrel-heavy aluminum handguard version, due to the added weight - it may make for a different shooting experience. Years ago I actually was very close to getting a JR Carbine in .40. The store had one left and by the time I drove there, it had sold out and since then I don't think it got any more in. I talked with a sales guy there and he said there wasn't much demand for it, and the reason they sold out wasn't due to demand but the fact that they only had a few ordered, which they ended up discounting just to get rid of it.
They exist, they just tend to be lever action rather than semi auto. Most cheaper pccs are blowback actions, and spicy 357 is a lot for a blowback action. The Winchester model 1907 is a blowback that shot the 351WSL cartridge, 180gr@1870fps, which is quite close to spicy 357mag in a rifle barrel. According to C&Rsenal on youtube the breech block on that gun weighs over 2lb!
