We send card for pickup, so they will just deliver notice card, rifle will be held at post office
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We send card for pickup, so they will just deliver notice card, rifle will be held at post office
I guess that's where the two camps that seem to keep this thread going tend to disagree. This is what-batch #5 or so? I didn't pay much attention because I always thought that T81 barrels with the 3-ring shround were hideous, and this is the first iteration I was enticed by.
I fully expected them to have worked out their kinks by now instead of keep ripping off their customer base who are apparently expected to either accept a defective product (I am not aware of any other manufacturer who is not going to exchange a rifle that has a day 3 mm misaligned barrel, but I'm relatively new to the hobby, maybe there are some), or to pay a 23% "gotcha, noob" fee. If I buy a $300 mass produced Turkish shotgun clone and the barrel is not straight or the stock is canted any vendor will surely replace it for me with an apology. Same goes for a $500 entry level hunting rifle. Why shouldn't I expect the same level of customer service for a rifle that was specifically manufactured for a civilian market that is being sold for 1,200?
Known defects wise, someone used Remington Marlins as an example. I own a 2018 manufacture 1895 that is pretty darn flawless. If they figured their sh*t out over the course of 5 or so years of restructuring pains, why couldn't TI figure out how to get something reasonable to their customers?
I truly think that the community needs to hold unscrupulous dealers to a higher standard instead of accepting and excusing unethical business practices.
Bro, $1200 for non-restricted semi auto in canada is CHEAP!!! These are mass produced, chicom, stamped, garbage guns that run flawlessly, have real world accuracy and eat everything. You literally get what you pay for, I understand that $1200 seems expensive to some, but in the non-restricted canadian market this is as cheap as it gets! I love the T81 in all it's ugly glory!
MosinMan13
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- Thornbury Ontario
Lol what? $500 hunting rifle? $300 Turkish clone with warranty? On what planet.
My R4 retails for little over $750 before tax I believe? I guarantee nobody has my back when it does finally fail, and I had to do a lot of mods to make it reliable, that’s the trade off for saving a buck.
And Marlin, or I should say Remlin, that’s great, I had 3 from middle to the end of their production. An ugly 336, an 1894 that the bore basically dissolved from the inside out for no apparent reason, and my 1895 CB which granted is mint. That’s 2/3 rifles that shouldn’t have passed a reasonable QC.
Like mentioned above, $1200 isn’t a lot for a 30 cal semi auto, tell me about it after owning a WK or a KelTec. I’m not saying $1200 is chump change but look around the world and tell me what $1200 gets you anymore?
This.
As stated previously, trunion misalignment is a very rare occurrence and one that is only aesthetic in nature, and in no way impacts the performance, reliability or function of the rifle. Due to the old world manufacturing style of 80's red rifle construction, modern CNC/laser precision is simply not possible.
Even in most claims for "bent barrels", when measured are well within specification (ie closer to 0 then 4). Again this is mostly due to alignment of wood furniture, the cut-out from the top of the action and parallax. 4mm was set by the factory as the level deemed acceptable for aesthetic deviation related warranty claim. Over a distance of nearly 19" this is quite minor in nature, and in most cases one has to be either searching for it initially or convinced it was there before the rifle even arrived.
The big picture is that despite selling into 5 figures of rifles over the past 7 years, there hasn't been a single return for reliability issues. No matter what these will always function regardless of ammo or conditions.
Even in most claims for "bent barrels", when measured are well within specification (ie closer to 0 then 4). Again this is mostly due to alignment of wood furniture, the cut-out from the top of the action and parallax. 4mm was set by the factory as the level deemed acceptable for aesthetic deviation related warranty claim. Over a distance of nearly 19" this is quite minor in nature, and in most cases one has to be either searching for it initially or convinced it was there before the rifle even arrived.
The big picture is that despite selling into 5 figures of rifles over the past 7 years, there hasn't been a single return for reliability issues. No matter what these will always function regardless of ammo or conditions.
That's what I'm counting on! Reliability!
Plus, I plan on shooting mine like this most of the time... (That's a joke guys... Relax... Lol)
Can't wait to get my under folder!
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All you had to do was post the warranty or "spec" on the product description page, so that your customers would know what it is they signed up for, or came out and said that you would replace "bent" rifles free of charge, should anyone receive one. I haven't seen either message being communicated so far. When selling the rifles primarily based on aesthetic appeal I don't see how you can say it's ok that the misaligned barrels ruining that aesthetic appeal is ok.
K1LLswitch
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, Alberta
We send card for pickup, so they will just deliver notice card, rifle will be held at post office
Awesome - thanks TI. That hopefully avoids the sketchy delivery practices of some CP delivery people.
American pioneers were building Kentucky Long Rifles by hand in the 1700's, and they were straight. One doesn't need computer numeric control to build a straight rifle, one needs only to give a sh1t about what they're building. I guess Chinese political prisoners just don't give a sh1t?
We ship all firearms card for pickup, even with signatures CP has been known to drop on doorsteps and with how prevalent porch piracy is nowadays we don't want these ending up in wrong hands
When customers checkout they agree to refund policies as per the checkmark box. We also advise clients requesting refund of fees before proceeding and they give us written consent to proceed. The 3% applies to credit card merchant fees. When a cc order is processed, that fee is taken by Visa/Mastercard and we don't get that back if we run a refund.
The 20% for a firearm in processing is to cover the extensive time and effort involved, that takes away resources from processing other orders:
1. Download invoice
2. Check PAL/contact customer for missing PAL info
3. Generate NR transfer reference number
If not generated, check pending numbers manually, daily
4. Enter NR Transfer Reference into Reference Ledger
5. Once approved make prepaid shipping label(s) for order
6. Prepare/pack order
Refund Requested:
7. Contact warehouse team, try and see if order was packed, pull from queue if possible, disrupting production line and shipping capability
8. If pulled, go into CP website and cancel prepaid label, skip to #12
9. If already packed then it'll take too much time to sort through hundreds of boxes to find one to pull, so it must be shipped out
10. Update NR ledger with outgoing firearm
11. If applicable, wait for parcel to come back, collect from PO box pay for return postage (postage is subsidized, often costing us $50-60 for rifles one way)
12. Open box, pull invoice, papers, return items to inventory
13. Update NR ledger with return firearm
14. Pull up customer transaction and run refund through credit card processor
15. Change status of order to refunded on shopping cart software
16. Post refund amount onto refund tracking spreadsheet for accounting
17. Change internal invoice status to refunded
18. Email client, notifying them of processed refund. Potential follow-up emails/calls as cc companies take anywhere from 1-4 weeks to put funds back on card after it has been reversed
Oh no you have to drive a little bit.
I'm sure your situation is the least concerning considering 70 percent of orders are in areas where porch pirates are notorious, and Canada Post is the worst courier for leaving firearms out in the open. Or, use UPS with signature requiredand watch your door every day all day because if you miss them 2 times it goes back to sender. You'd ##### one way or another.
It's the safest most sure way you get your order, and poor you only have to drive a little wee bit to make sure you get it.
MosinMan13
CGN Regular
- Location
- Thornbury Ontario
People are weak these days.
What do we think Adidas tracksuit with a Type 81? Clashing racial stereotypes or complimentary combloc swag? What’s the Chi-com equivalent to squatting slav in adidas tracksuit on the hood of a lada niva?
What do we think Adidas tracksuit with a Type 81? Clashing racial stereotypes or complimentary combloc swag? What’s the Chi-com equivalent to squatting slav in adidas tracksuit on the hood of a lada niva?
Everyone understands restocking fees. Everyone does that for products that are outside of warranty. In fact most retailers wont accept returns of firearms for any reason.
What everyone doesn’t understand is denying a warranty claim for 2 or 3mm of variance in the barrel. Or paying 1200 bucks for a rifle that, if you put an optic on, has a good chance of only being effectively used at one distance, since the POI will move with elevation changes, due to the deviation.
It probably would have been a good move to mention, in the fine print, what the acceptable deviation is…instead of trying to sell optic mounts for a gun that may or may not be able to be effectively used with an optic.
What everyone doesn’t understand is denying a warranty claim for 2 or 3mm of variance in the barrel. Or paying 1200 bucks for a rifle that, if you put an optic on, has a good chance of only being effectively used at one distance, since the POI will move with elevation changes, due to the deviation.
It probably would have been a good move to mention, in the fine print, what the acceptable deviation is…instead of trying to sell optic mounts for a gun that may or may not be able to be effectively used with an optic.
