Sticky for Ruger PCC

Scott_N said:
Soon to be owner of a Ruger PCC here... it sounds like these things are not picky with ammo - does everyone pretty much shoot what they have, or is there a favorite bullet weight people like?
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I went after market crazy on mine, including the red recoil spring.
It's good for hot loads with 147 and 158 grain campros, stuffed with oodles of super slow VV 3N38.
Makes for a great 100 yard plinker.
Just don't try such ammo in lesser blowbacks - they'll push out of battery and rip the side out of the case. Don't ask me how I know...
 
Bubba Yugga said:
I went after market crazy on mine, including the red recoil spring.
It's good for hot loads with 147 and 158 grain campros, stuffed with oodles of super slow VV 3N38.
Makes for a great 100 yard plinker.
Just don't try such ammo in lesser blowbacks - they'll push out of battery and rip the side out of the case. Don't ask me how I know...
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Went crazy on mine too, thrown everything at it with the upgraded spring and its eaten them no problem. Scott_N you wont have a problem with anything, but fav weight for me is 124
 
Gindryden said:
avoid the aluminum case ammo. Not sure why but not recommended for the pc
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Aluminum is a 'sticky' metal where brass is naturally more lubricated/slippery (though bronzes are even more so). That's part of the problem. A rough or dirty chamber (common in blowbacks, which get dirty fast) can cause aluminum cases to stick.

Probably more importantly though is that depending on the powder charge, bullet weight, and blowback mass, and how these variables interact, there are situations where you may have the case blowing back such that the thin wall is exposed to open air before the bullet has left the barrel, and there's still a few thousand PSI of gases in the barrel. This can cause case rupture, throwing bits of aluminum out to the side, potentially injuring the shooter, or more likely the guy in the lane next to them. Brass is tougher, so less likely to rupture with premature extraction. This isn't a problem with any more sophisticated delayed blowback or locked breech action, but in a simple blowback, the results can be painful.
 
I've probably put about 600 rounds downrange now, CCI and Winchester 115 FMJ, Winchester SXZ 115 hollow point, and CCI and STV Scorpio 124 gr. So far it's been 100% reliable, other than one single incident of the bolt not locking back after the last shot, but I may have had some unintended pressure on the magazine. I don't have any 147 gr on hand to try, but the 115 and 124 both seem to shoot equally well.

Being blowback, these little guns run pretty dirty. How often are you guys completely disassembling your PCCs to clean? I put a M*Carbo buffer, recoil spring retainer, and extractor in, so I've had mine completely apart once, probably after about 200 rounds.
 
Scott_N said:
I've probably put about 600 rounds downrange now, CCI and Winchester 115 FMJ, Winchester SXZ 115 hollow point, and CCI and STV Scorpio 124 gr. So far it's been 100% reliable, other than one single incident of the bolt not locking back after the last shot, but I may have had some unintended pressure on the magazine. I don't have any 147 gr on hand to try, but the 115 and 124 both seem to shoot equally well.

Being blowback, these little guns run pretty dirty. How often are you guys completely disassembling your PCCs to clean? I put a M*Carbo buffer, recoil spring retainer, and extractor in, so I've had mine completely apart once, probably after about 200 rounds.
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I did a tear down at somewhere around 1000 rounds and it wasn't terrible. No issue with function or anything, just figured it was time.
I won't do a full tear down again till the 2k mark unless failures pop up. The barrel gets a snake pulled through it every few hundred rounds and clean up the feed ramp which is super easy when you can just pull the barrel off.
 
Scott_N said:
I've probably put about 600 rounds downrange now, CCI and Winchester 115 FMJ, Winchester SXZ 115 hollow point, and CCI and STV Scorpio 124 gr. So far it's been 100% reliable, other than one single incident of the bolt not locking back after the last shot, but I may have had some unintended pressure on the magazine. I don't have any 147 gr on hand to try, but the 115 and 124 both seem to shoot equally well.

Being blowback, these little guns run pretty dirty. How often are you guys completely disassembling your PCCs to clean? I put a M*Carbo buffer, recoil spring retainer, and extractor in, so I've had mine completely apart once, probably after about 200 rounds.
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i shoot around 200 rounds each time. will do a quick wipe down afterwards of what i can get to without undoing the screws.

i dissemble to the bolt but not the bolt itself every 400 rounds.
 
ATRS Shaun said:
Some more pics, carbon handguards.

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Are these itmes in stock? If not, what's the ETA for shipping?
 
I recently purchased a PC9 in a standard setup, I was thinking of getting one of the back packer stocks to cut the weight down but we probably won't as this is primarily a camp gun, I bought this rifle for two reasons, for fun plinking but mostly for when my Wife and I go for our annual 3-4 week camping trip in the fall, quite often my Wife is alone in camp with three of our four Retrievers. One of the dogs comes with me when I am hunting. Anyone that is familiar with Retrievers will understand they are pets, not Northern bush Dogs, and they rely on their owners to protect them. My first impression of the PC9 was that it needed a red dot sight, so I made the mistake of buying a Sig Romeo5 from Amazon. After I ordered one, to my surprise I found out how common counterfeits are, I had a close look when I received it and it almost passed my initial inspection, but after it was on for less than a couple of minutes it quit working. My Wife is not very tech savy and quite recoil sensitive, so it seemed to make sense to go with a more conventional setup, so I have a Bushnell 4500 1-4 scope coming and my Wife is a little less stressed, as She will be a lot more comfortable using a conventional scope setup to take a shot at a coyote or wolf that wanders in to lure the dogs out of camp. I also already have some quick detach rings for the new scope as the Ruger sights also seem useful. Has anyone else decided against a red dot in favour of more conventional optics?
 
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You and your wife are part of your four dogs pack. Those three dogs would/will give up their lives protecting your wife. For what you are worrying about I would stick with iron sights and forget the scope for camp use. They are faster to acquire over a scope and the distances are going to be within 20 yards for certain.


Take Care

Bob
 
I agree with Bob, learn the irons and they are super quick. Maybe add some hi vis paint or nail polish to the front blade and it'll help for low light.
Other option would be a shake awake red dot like a Holosun 503 or better. A solid but also cheap red dot is Bushnell TRS25, and a bonus it will co-witness with factory irons.
 
I will pile on this - ^ irons - yes...
I've added iron sights to my pc9 and prefer it to any other type (I know - old farts etc...). I've used magpul mbus pro ones, as I liked them better than composite ones. They fold flat and out of the way for transport or stay up/open when in use. For better visibility, I've replaced front site post with Blitzkrieg one (unscrew original, screw in Blitz) in luminescent green and it makes a huge difference for my eyes. Natural luminescence lasts for a couple of hours after dark (it's no tritium, so you get limited shine time until sunlight charges it back again during daylight). hth.
 
Canuck44 said:
You and your wife are part of your four dogs pack. Those three dogs would/will give up their lives protecting your wife. For what you are worrying about I would stick with iron sights and forget the scope for camp use. They are faster to acquire over a scope and the distances are going to be within 20 yards for certain.


Take Care

Bob
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I appreciate the answer however, as I mentioned my Wife is a lot more comfortable with a scope over iron sights so I was interested in hearing from others that have gone the conventional scope route with a PC9, and the three dogs that are left in camp with Her are not Bush dogs and nothing resembling a Dog pack, if there is a threat at least two will be behind Her looking for protection the youngest Dog is still an unknown quantity but chances are He will be doing something that is not helpful. The only Dog of the four that has any bush sense will be with Me.
 
Mit i am not sure how
useful a scope even set at 1x is going to be much usen in the bush at 10 yards or less. If she can't use irons at distances out to 25 yards (eg. Hitting a 2ft x 4ft target out to 25 yards with irons you might want to buy her two canisters of bear spray and practice with one of the cannisters and carry the 2nd with her while in the bush.

Take Care
Bob
 
a scope, even at 1x, has eye relief which will increase the time it takes to get a sight picture. at 3x or more you are hunting to see a close target.

a red dot has no eye relief issues and can get on target very quickly - as fast as irons PROVIDED the sight is on. there is also the issue of batteries in the cold.

for a bush defence application speed is more important than range or accuracy. black bear top speed 30 mph = 15 yards per second = a bear spotted at 50 yards is on you in 3 seconds. grizzlies are faster.

i watch the park canada guys come to the range to practice bear defence with scoped 30-06s bolt guns. the local resource guys do the same training with pump 12-gauges with iron sights. the shotguns get a lot more accurate fire out a lot quicker than the rifles.

in the winter if i am traveling backcountry (not hunting) i carry a pc9 with a red dot and fresh battery broken down in a pack (i've got the tactical version and can't run irons); wolves will give you time to gear up and a 9mm is more than sufficient. in the summer i carry a 12-gauge because bears can come outta nowhere. when things are on the line you don't notice the recoil, although you can get reduced-recoil 12-gauge rounds that will still get the job one, or semis have less recoil than pumps.
 
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