Swiss Arms-Owners speak up about what you dislike
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heavenIsAlie
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id cough up the 3000 for one in .308 that is for sure
They just change the operating system - cracking? No idea. When they have a few thousand outthere floating around in real war zone, then we will know. Basicly, the 553 is untested - at least now we know the 552's limitation. Maybe it is just the nature of the beast- when you have that short of a gas system with a huge piston head pounding in such a short travel......Maybe that's why you need to go short stroke system like that of a G36.
Until then- if you worry, you should stick with the rifle system. That is proven for years.
Until then- if you worry, you should stick with the rifle system. That is proven for years.
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I am ditching the ultra short barrel all together. I won't be buying a 8.9" again. They are fun to shoot, but they are too heavy for a compact rifle.
I don't think I am going to buy a 553, if it comes with 8.9" barrel.
I don't think I am going to buy a 553, if it comes with 8.9" barrel.
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My issued 552 is going strong after over 4000 rds of frangible ammo and other ammo (only one malfunction by the way). The weapon is in use by the French Naval commandos and the 22nd SAS. The Swiss Army also has several thousand in service. An ex-Swiss Soldier I spoke with has never heard of a bolt carrier ever breaking when he served (he has just broke cocking handles when firing too close to cover). Sig Sauer USA has a demo 552 with over 40000 rds that has not broke.
The problem was that the recoil spring guide rod used to break at about the 10000 round mark when it was metal. This has been solved by the use of the plastic one now, that is more flexible. My sources tell me that extractors sometimes go at about the 10000 mark. Sig Sauer USA denies this claim and states they rarely ever change extractors.
It is an all steel very solid gun. The only reports of 552's failing that I know of are from Kevin's company in Iraq.
I think we need to look at the big picture regarding these weapons, it would never have won the SAS competition and remain in use with them if it was a bad weapon.
Rich
The problem was that the recoil spring guide rod used to break at about the 10000 round mark when it was metal. This has been solved by the use of the plastic one now, that is more flexible. My sources tell me that extractors sometimes go at about the 10000 mark. Sig Sauer USA denies this claim and states they rarely ever change extractors.
It is an all steel very solid gun. The only reports of 552's failing that I know of are from Kevin's company in Iraq.
I think we need to look at the big picture regarding these weapons, it would never have won the SAS competition and remain in use with them if it was a bad weapon.
Rich
Throttle_monkey1
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..that's because there are no known issues with AR mags
jl
I have never said there weren't any mag problems with the AR/Stanag mags. read what I said again. carefully. see if it sinks in.
Throttle_monkey1
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ok, so I guess my experiences never happened? are you contesting that? believe me, the AR platform has some flaws, as do the mags. I was relating MY experience with a PE90.
but I guess it didn't happen because you weren't there to see it. Did hiroshima happen? It couldn't have, because you weren't there.
but I guess it didn't happen because you weren't there to see it. Did hiroshima happen? It couldn't have, because you weren't there.
Mags 101:
Line up 7.62x39 side by side on a table, they match the curve of the AK mag.
Line up 5.56x45 side by side on a table, they match the curve of the HK 33/93, AUG, Swiss Arms, HK G36 (and a few other mags)
They do not match the curve of the AR15/M16/C7-8 mag.
When a mag matches the natural curve of the ammo it is feeding it allows for; smoother more natural feeding = greater reliability.
There is a reason for this weakness in the AR15 mag. The original weapon was designed with a 20rd mag. The mag well was straight. The 20rd mag was straight and had a slant to the bottom of the mag. Line up 5.56x45 laying down side by side and they match the profile of the 20rd AR15 mag with the slant (well designed system by Mr. Stoner).
The problem started when someone decided that 20rds was not enough. The 30rd mag starts out straight (it has to because the mag well is straight) and then starts to curve (once it's clear of the mag well). It's amazing that the 30rd AR15 mags work as well as they do considering this limitation and design flaw. Some of the newer HK and MAGPUL mags are great feeders and have made further corrections to this flaw.
For comparison purposes look at the HK33/93 mag. It starts to curve immediately when coming out of the mag well (which is much shorter than the AR15 mag well), following the natural curve of the tapered ammunition. Same with the AK.
Most modern combat rifles and pistols have great actions. 90% of all functioning problems are mag related--not action related. Experienced users know this and ensure they have the best mags they can get their hands on and change them often.
Just some thoughts,
Rich
Line up 7.62x39 side by side on a table, they match the curve of the AK mag.
Line up 5.56x45 side by side on a table, they match the curve of the HK 33/93, AUG, Swiss Arms, HK G36 (and a few other mags)
They do not match the curve of the AR15/M16/C7-8 mag.
When a mag matches the natural curve of the ammo it is feeding it allows for; smoother more natural feeding = greater reliability.
There is a reason for this weakness in the AR15 mag. The original weapon was designed with a 20rd mag. The mag well was straight. The 20rd mag was straight and had a slant to the bottom of the mag. Line up 5.56x45 laying down side by side and they match the profile of the 20rd AR15 mag with the slant (well designed system by Mr. Stoner).
The problem started when someone decided that 20rds was not enough. The 30rd mag starts out straight (it has to because the mag well is straight) and then starts to curve (once it's clear of the mag well). It's amazing that the 30rd AR15 mags work as well as they do considering this limitation and design flaw. Some of the newer HK and MAGPUL mags are great feeders and have made further corrections to this flaw.
For comparison purposes look at the HK33/93 mag. It starts to curve immediately when coming out of the mag well (which is much shorter than the AR15 mag well), following the natural curve of the tapered ammunition. Same with the AK.
Most modern combat rifles and pistols have great actions. 90% of all functioning problems are mag related--not action related. Experienced users know this and ensure they have the best mags they can get their hands on and change them often.
Just some thoughts,
Rich
Actually, you were relating your experience to one flawed mag...a mag you knew was flawed....or did you think the last round from every mag would do that?
Given that, it's kinda a pointless observation don't you think?
If only an event was controlled by my presence...think of the possibilities...Missing your birth is the first one that comes to mind
i have a CQB, absolutely love it, there is nothing on it i dislike, ive only cleaned it 3 times in the past 3 years, shoots like a dream with no malfunctions what so ever, i find that people who talk trash about them are simply just jealous? they must be...hehehe
I love my Black Special and have no complaints. My Classic Green Carbine is another matter. It doesn't work. Well that's not true it does everything but eject every 3rd spent casing or so. If I could cure that problem none of my other rifles would ever leave the safe. I've switched bolts, carriers, op rods, all three, lower receivers. Still no luck. The Black Special works and the Carbine doesn't. If I clean it I'll get about 20-30 rounds without stoppages but then they start happening every 3-5 rounds again. The ejectors on both rifles look identical, and there's no obvious damage to the Carbines ejector or extractor. Putting parts from the not working rifle into the working rifle magically fixes them. But still leaves me with a rifle that works and one that doesn't. It's kind of a piss off really.
