Win 100 vs Rem 74x

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Looks like my ability to properly function the bolt quick enough and remain on target for a follow up shot is diminishing.

To that end I'm thinking of picking up a short action semi auto.

Would I be better off with a Winchester 100 or a Remington 740, 742, 7400 ?

Perhaps somthing other than those 2 ?.
Browning is off the table simply due to price.
 
The Remingtons are not short action, same action length for a 308 or 30-06. That goes for all iterations (740, 742, 7400 and 750). Magazines for short action cartridges just have a spacer in them so the shorter cartridges don’t move back and forth.

The Winchester is a short action, never came chambered for any long action cartridges.

I’ve owned Remington 740’s and a 750. The 750 was junk in my opinion, it went back to Remington, I got my money back. You have to look out for receiver wear on 740’s and 742’s, due to the locking lugs of the bolt and the soft receivers. 7400’s and 750’s did not have that problem. In my opinion, if you want a Remington, look for a 7400.

I prefer my Winchester. It is easier to do a full, and I mean full, disassembly on. And it doesn’t have the receiver issues of the earlier Remingtons. The 100 did however have a firing pin recall. The one I bought did not have the recall completed. I contacted Olin, they mailed me a new one, I put it in, good to go.

As far as accuracy goes, with handloads I got 1.5” groups with my Remington and I get 1.5” groups with my Winchester. So the samples that I’ve had are equal.

All that to say, why not just hit well with the first shot? I’ll tell you that with the recoil and stock design of these rifles, it’s not like you can just keep firing dead on at your target. Neither of these rifles have stock designs that lend themselves to mounting a scope and having good eye to scope alignment (except for a 7400 with a Monte Carlo stock). I’d say take your time and place your first shot well with your bolt action.

I’ve owned / still own these semi’s, but always find myself grabbing a bolt when it’s time to hunt.
 
I see 308 model 100's for sale regularly, but wildly varying prices.
Seems like they are prone to the stock cracking.
I may pick one up just to satisfy my curiosity and use it at the range.

As far as hitting the target with one well placed shot , that's always the goal...but...it's also good to be prepared for when that does not go as planned.
 
Be aware that the Model 100’s have a firing pin recall still in effect.
Some are still out there in old form.

They aren’t a horrible rifle and would be my pick over the Remington.
 
M100 parts availability can be an issue.
It would be good to be able to test a M100 or M7400 prior to purchase. Make sure it is working satisfactorily.
How about a 760 or 7600? Rapid followup without the issues some of the semis have.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Seems like they are prone to the stock cracking.
I may pick one up just to satisfy my curiosity and use it at the range.

As far as hitting the target with one well placed shot , that's always the goal...but...it's also good to be prepared for when that does not go as planned.
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The 100 stocks can crack behind the recoil block (at the rear of the receiver) and also in front of the action (the stock is very thin there). The recoil block issues can be resolved by bedding the recoil block (very easy to do).

The issue with breaking in front of the action mostly has to do with assembly / disassembly. The bolt needs to be held all the way rearward while you remove the action from the stock. Most people try to hold it back with their hand. It can be awkward to do that while trying to remove the whole action / barrel. To prevent any mishaps / accidents, I just use a block of hardwood that fits in the action and jambs the bolt rearward. That way the bolt can’t slip and ram forward, which usually breaks the stock.

I hear you on being prepared for when things don’t go perfectly. I just prefer using my 1/2” capable bolts to my 1.5” capable semi’s. Though I do plan to one day use my 100 to take a deer, I just find it hard to not use my bolts.

Happy hunting with tracking one down, like you mentioned, there are lots to choose from. If you do end up with a 100, again, make sure you check that the firing pin recall has been done. Olin even sent me a cheque with the new pin to cover installation if I sent it to a gunsmith. I don’t think the amount they sent would cover a gunsmith doing the job, but since I did it myself it was just a little bonus.
 
tiriaq said:
M100 parts availability can be an issue.
It would be good to be able to test a M100 or M7400 prior to purchase. Make sure it is working satisfactorily.
How about a 760 or 7600? Rapid followup without the issues some of the semis have.
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I was able to buy an extractor, ejector, ejector spring and magazine all from Numrich in the states. They had lots of other parts too. However, stocks are hard to come by. A company in Washington (MPI I think?) makes synthetic stocks for the 88 and 100, but they aren’t cheap.
 
tiriaq said:
M100 parts availability can be an issue.
It would be good to be able to test a M100 or M7400 prior to purchase. Make sure it is working satisfactorily.
How about a 760 or 7600? Rapid followup without the issues some of the semis have.
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Unfortunately with cross country internet sales with the EE or other sites, try before you buy is pretty much non existent.

The Remington pumps in a factory carbine configuration are also something I should seriously consider, however I rarely see them for sale when scanning the EE.
 
kamlooky said:
Be aware that the Model 100’s have a firing pin recall still in effect.
Some are still out there in old form.

They aren’t a horrible rifle and would be my pick over the Remington.
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I've seen the videos describing replacement and it seems easy enough
I hear various things about the recall though, one os they won't send the part until they get the old one, some say they send it out to anyone that asks, some say it has to be done by a gunsmith and stamped with a revision. number.

I'm not sure which story is true.
 
A Remington pump carbine would be a dandy. Most seem to be '06. Hard to beat for a handy, accurate hunting rifle.
 
The win 100 and all iterations of the Remington 742/7400/750 have jamming reputations. The 742 in particular has a receiver wear issue, where receivers can irreparably wear out at the locking lugs in as few as a couple hundred rounds in some cases.

If you must run a traditional semi auto hunting rifle, perhaps look at the browning BAR?

Alternately look at an older Remington 8 or 81, or look at a modern (ie black) sporting rifle of some sort.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Looks like my ability to properly function the bolt quick enough and remain on target for a follow up shot is diminishing.

To that end I'm thinking of picking up a short action semi auto.

Would I be better off with a Winchester 100 or a Remington 740, 742, 7400 ?

Perhaps somthing other than those 2 ?.
Browning is off the table simply due to price.
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Autoloaders aren’t much of a thing in the west anymore, but it wasn’t always that way. Growing up pushing bush was the standard hunting technique for most part and there were a lot more autos, levers and pumps then bolts.

In the auto crowd there was the usual collection of Wins and Rems that didn’t work worth a crap and were passed down to torment the next generation or next luckless buyer. The Browning owners were in a different class, and everyone knew it. Not only did the BARs always work; owning one pretty much guaranteed that you had money, were dead serious or both. Probably had an Auto-5, or O/U and in extreme cases a varmint rifle . Nothing said money like an expensive rifle specially suited for shooting things you didn’t even need to shoot. ;) Probably owned the bar in town too:)


But I digress. Long and short the BARs worked ans everyone knew it, the lever guys mostly dropped those when scopes became the norm. The Rem pump guys seemed to fair well, that was the one that worked , shot fast, shot like your average bolt gun and was within reach. Most of those guns used a pump shotgun too.
Fast forward to today, guns are, affordable and the bolt won.:)
 
Dogleg said:
Autoloaders aren’t much of a thing in the west anymore, but it wasn’t always that way. Growing up pushing bush was the standard hunting technique for most part and there were a lot more autos, levers and pumps then bolts.

In the auto crowd there was the usual collection of Wins and Rems that didn’t work worth a crap and were passed down to torment the next generation or next luckless buyer. The Browning owners were in a different class, and everyone knew it. Not only did the BARs always work; owning one pretty much guaranteed that you had money, were dead serious or both. Probably had an Auto-5, or O/U and in extreme cases a varmint rifle . Nothing said money like an expensive rifle specially suited for shooting things you didn’t even need to shoot. ;) Probably owned the bar in town too:)


But I digress. Long and short the BARs worked ans everyone knew it, the lever guys mostly dropped those when scopes became the norm. The Rem pump guys seemed to fair well, that was the one that worked , shot fast, shot like your average bolt gun and was within reach. Most of those guns used a pump shotgun too.
Fast forward to today, guns are, affordable and the bolt won.:)
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The 308 BAR is without a doubt a quality piece, and I do have a SA Medallion Bolt and a Medallion BPS 12GAUGE, but the trouble is the BAR'S are $400 to $600 more than a win 100 in comparable condition.
I think I might be leaning towards a Rem SA Pump in the carbine model, if one happens along in good shape, but I feel like it will be close to the BAR in price.
 
I bought a used Model 100 308 in the mid 80's and still have it, I don't use it all that often but it has never had any reliability or accuracy issues and is a keeper in my books(JMHO).
I've also owned Browning BAR's and they have been trouble free as well and are still in production...might be a way to go now.
I haven't owned a Rem semi so I can't comment on them but I do have 760 pump(30-06) which has be very reliable and easily accurate enough for any hunt I've taken it on. :)
 
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