350 Legend vs ......

[jjohnwm]

Lol, I wonder how long go the OP lost interest in this thread. I don't doubt for a moment that he did lose interest...just wondering when...

Guys, come on...read the OP's original question, then look at the last few posts in this thread. I defy you to do that without shaking your head and wondering 'WTF....?" I don't know if the OP even handloads, but I'd bet folding money that he isn't concerned about how precision handguns headspace or how the military loaded .30Carbine ammo or any of the other crap this thread has devolved into.

Personally, I'm with brybenn and Suther in finding the .360 more appealing than the .350...mainly because it is so much better suited to single shots and leverguns. The .350 seems aimed at folks who want levergun ballistics without shooting a levergun, or who want to play cowboys'n'indians using an AR.

I think I'll start a thread about buying a brand new truck, and then equipping it with a hand-crank starter sticking out through the front bumper. That won't make much sense either, but we sometimes seem to demand that of threads on CGN.

 

[Mogulrider]

Looks like I'm the only guy who hunts with it. Under 200yds it's the most comfortable deer and bear pounder I've ever shot.
Wicked deadly accurate and I use the Ruger Ranch in my stands with the 16" barrel.
Ballistics don't mean crap under 200yds. It pounds deer and bear. 35 caliber is alot of metal.
It'll be in my hunting stand for as long as I live. with 8lb recoil.
These ballistic guys must shoot a 1000yds at muskrats.
Go watch the the 1000s of deer and bear that have fallen to this cartridge.
The videos speak for themselves.
Go watch the vortex nation video on Youtube about it.
Mason Leathere on Youtube has done the ballistics gel testing. Incredible penetration.
So your books and gauges don;t mean crap in the field
I bet there are 1-4% of hunters that have killed a deer beyond 150yds...

 

[Joel]

Always liked your factual posts on the cartridge after having used it, Mogul.

If 35 Rem has always had a good reputation, I don't know how 350 Legend can't be effective, and its very efficient. Not to mention on the shelves and cheaper.

 

[hoytcanon]

Looks like I'm the only guy who hunts with it. Under 200yds it's the most comfortable deer and bear pounder I've ever shot.
Wicked deadly accurate and I use the Ruger Ranch in my stands with the 16" barrel.
Ballistics don't mean crap under 200yds. It pounds deer and bear. 35 caliber is alot of metal.
It'll be in my hunting stand for as long as I live. with 8lb recoil.
These ballistic guys must shoot a 1000yds at muskrats.
Go watch the the 1000s of deer and bear that have fallen to this cartridge.
The videos speak for themselves.
Go watch the vortex nation video on Youtube about it.
Mason Leathere on Youtube has done the ballistics gel testing. Incredible penetration.
So your books and gauges don;t mean crap in the field
I bet there are 1-4% of hunters that have killed a deer beyond 150yds...

Nobody is saying it won't work... just that it was a purpose designed cartridge and that purpose does not exist in Canada... there are much better options here... if you just like the cartridge, knock yourself out, nobody will fault you for that. If someone asks about it though, don't get butt-hurt when members advise against it, they are not kicking your puppy, they are just talking sense.

 

[Suther]

Looks like I'm the only guy who hunts with it. Under 200yds it's the most comfortable deer and bear pounder I've ever shot.
Wicked deadly accurate and I use the Ruger Ranch in my stands with the 16" barrel.
Ballistics don't mean crap under 200yds. It pounds deer and bear. 35 caliber is alot of metal.
It'll be in my hunting stand for as long as I live. with 8lb recoil.
These ballistic guys must shoot a 1000yds at muskrats.
Go watch the the 1000s of deer and bear that have fallen to this cartridge.
The videos speak for themselves.
Go watch the vortex nation video on Youtube about it.
Mason Leathere on Youtube has done the ballistics gel testing. Incredible penetration.
So your books and gauges don;t mean crap in the field
I bet there are 1-4% of hunters that have killed a deer beyond 150yds...

I could believe most stand hunters haven't killed a deer beyond 150yds...

 

[Mogulrider]

Nobody is saying it won't work... just that it was a purpose designed cartridge and that purpose does not exist in Canada... there are much better options here... if you just like the cartridge, knock yourself out, nobody will fault you for that. If someone asks about it though, don't get butt-hurt when members advise against it, they are not kicking your puppy, they are just talking sense.

I could care less what people say. But when gun snobs denigrate a fabulous hunting cartridge due to ballistics and purpose built uses I speak up.
It is not just purpose built. In the field 10s of 1000s of hunters have found out that is more than that. It is wonderful effective round for deer and bear and my camp proves it every year. In 45 years I've never taken a deer beyond 200yds so it my pupose. Little did I know how good it was. It shocked us with it's lethality. It drops deer hard. That 35 cal bullet means business.
The 180gr which we use leaves an exit would the size of a silver dollar. It pounds deer and bear.
I am speaking up for a reason. If you hunt under 200yds and want a light, low recoil round to do it ethically.
350 Legend is a solid choice.
I use a Ruger Ranch that leaves cloverleafs at 100yds and have many pics to prove it.
It's one thing to be ballistically good. It's another to brillirantly accurate day in and day out.
Accuracy matters more than ballistics under 200yds. That is proven.
Try one before you slag a bullet. It will surprise you.

 

[hoytcanon]

I could care less what people say. But when gun snobs denigrate a fabulous hunting cartridge due to ballistics and purpose built uses I speak up.
It is not just purpose built. In the field 10s of 1000s of hunters have found out that is more than that. It is wonderful effective round for deer and bear and my camp proves it every year. In 45 years I've never taken a deer beyond 200yds so it my pupose. Little did I know how good it was. It shocked us with it's lethality. It drops deer hard. That 35 cal bullet means business.
The 180gr which we use leaves an exit would the size of a silver dollar. It pounds deer and bear.
I am speaking up for a reason. If you hunt under 200yds and want a light, low recoil round to do it ethically.
350 Legend is a solid choice.
I use a Ruger Ranch that leaves cloverleafs at 100yds and have many pics to prove it.
It's one thing to be ballistically good. It's another to brillirantly accurate day in and day out.
Accuracy matters more than ballistics under 200yds. That is proven.
Try one before you slag a bullet. It will surprise you.

You are just romanticizing your personal choice. There is nothing special about the .350 Legend. I have been using .35 caliber cartridges almost four decades, I have used everything from the standard 180 SP's that most use in the Legend to .310 grain Woodleigh's... I have shot dozens of big game animals with .35 cal cartridges, .35 Rem, .358 Win, .350 Rem Mag, .358 Norma, .358-385 Ruger, using 200 & 250 grain bullets... never would I choose a .350 Legend. If I really needed to, I could dumb down any of these to Legend levels, but why do that? It's not like the .35 Rem or .358 Win are big kickers, they are both easy for anyone to shoot with full power 200 grain loads and are terrific medium game cartridges. The bigger .35's are great for anything that walks in NA.

Regarding the Legend, it is not a matter of "why not"... in Canada, it is a matter of "why?" Perhaps if you have a youngster or slightly built partner, you might give it a go, but there are few reasons to go that route North of the 49th parallel.

 

[Suther]

I could care less what people say. But when gun snobs denigrate a fabulous hunting cartridge due to ballistics and purpose built uses I speak up.

Clearly you DO care, otherwise you'd have not made two long posts about it...

Nobody is saying it doesn't work. 35 remington is virtually identical ballistically and folk have been extolling the virtues of that cartridge for almost 120 years. But 35 remington is not super popular, especially west of 100th meridian, and for good reason.

 

[MiG25]

If you want a 350 Legend get one. The Howa Mini is interesting and affordable as is the ammo.

Unless you're on the Prairies the 350 vs the 270 is unlikely to effect your success (or lack of) on Whitetail.

There's little to nothing that is truly new and "want" plays a much bigger roll than "need" in a Deer hunting rifle. The 270 has been around for a Century, 6.5CM ballistics are out of the 1890's, the 350 Legend is more or less a modernized 351 WSL of 1907 vintage.

While I haven't used the 350 Legend, I have used the 8x56R (.330" bullets), because I want too, downloaded to shoot to the sights which puts it in the Country the 350 lives in. It'll shot through big deer.

 

[brybenn]

Light trim rifles. Like the ones 30-30 comes in! lol

But as you say, its only money. You can't take it with you when you go, despite what the pharaohs might have thought.

Light trim rifles. Like the ones 30-30 comes in! lol

But as you say, its only money. You can't take it with you when you go, despite what the pharaohs might have thought.

What's out there for bolt action repeating 3030s?

 

[Suther]

What's out there for bolt action repeating 3030s?

Savage 340 comes to mind. See 'em on the EE for like $500 all the time. Google tells me Winchester and Remington both made 30-30 bolt guns at one point too.

There are at least a few others, Husqvarna made one but its a single shot. Then you've got the Schmidt Rubins in 30-30 (although to be fair I don't hear good things about those conversions and they're straight-pulls)...

 

[Joel]

Savage 340 comes to mind. See 'em on the EE for like $500 all the time. Google tells me Winchester and Remington both made 30-30 bolt guns at one point too.

There are at least a few others, Husqvarna made one but its a single shot. Then you've got the Schmidt Rubins in 30-30 (although to be fair I don't hear good things about those conversions and they're straight-pulls)...

A Winchester 54 in 30-30 would be sweet!

As a handloader, small rifle primers, 10 grains less powder, using pistol powders etc is pretty sweet too. Cheaper plinking ammo, brass is widely available and probably cheaper as well. But, good point, there are nice 30-30 bolt actions out there.

 

[Gatehouse]

While I don't want one, the 350 Legend makes lots of sense for some applications, even right here in Canada where straight wall regulations don't exist. Cartridge regulations have never been a criteria to how I select a firearm/cartridge so I don't know why I would care about that now. I will choose a cartridge if I find something interesting about it or it fills a personal niche I want to fill.

From all accounts it delivers exactly as promised- excellent terminal performance on deer size animals out to 200-250 yards with minimal recoil. And it's available in lightweight and handy rifles. Not every rifle that uses AR size magazines is an AR!

Actually if the 350 Legend ticks to boxes you want ticked there is no reason to shy away from it just because it was designed to comply with some state laws. Some other more powerful or more common or bottlenecked cartridge isn't going to kill a deer any deader.

 

[Gatehouse]

A Winchester 54 in 30-30 would be sweet!

As a handloader, small rifle primers, 10 grains less powder, using pistol powders etc is pretty sweet too. Cheaper plinking ammo, brass is widely available and probably cheaper as well. But, good point, there are nice 30-30 bolt actions out there.

Is anyone making a 30-30 bolt action right now? I would be surprised.

The nicest 30-30 bolt action I ever owned was a Remington. Savage 340 is not what I would call a nice rifle.

 

[Joel]

Is anyone making a 30-30 bolt action right now? I would be surprised.

The nicest 30-30 bolt action I ever owned was a Remington. Savage 340 is not what I would call a nice rifle.

Not that I know of

Was the Remington a 788? Or the older Model 30 they were building on P14 style

 

[Gatehouse]

788

 

[Joel]

Cool, with the following they attract, they must have somethin going on. Looks like a nice size and weight for a 30-30

 

[Ardent]

Looks like I'm the only guy who hunts with it. Under 200yds it's the most comfortable deer and bear pounder I've ever shot.
Wicked deadly accurate and I use the Ruger Ranch in my stands with the 16" barrel.
Ballistics don't mean crap under 200yds. It pounds deer and bear. 35 caliber is alot of metal.
It'll be in my hunting stand for as long as I live. with 8lb recoil.
These ballistic guys must shoot a 1000yds at muskrats.
Go watch the the 1000s of deer and bear that have fallen to this cartridge.
The videos speak for themselves.
Go watch the vortex nation video on Youtube about it.
Mason Leathere on Youtube has done the ballistics gel testing. Incredible penetration.
So your books and gauges don;t mean crap in the field
I bet there are 1-4% of hunters that have killed a deer beyond 150yds...

Easy there, what a few of us are saying is it’s a curious cartridge designed specifically around a handful of obscure American regs and ARs, and that naturally comes with very specific design compromises. Not that it doesn’t kill deer or black bears at close range, I’m not looking again but don’t think I’ve seen a single concern about its ability to take game. There’s nothing new under the terminal ballistics sun and I expect a chunk of Mach 2 copper and lead to kill deer at close range very well. People get on teams about their favourite chamberings, you can happily keep using yours, I have mine too. Out here in BC 200 isn’t at all a long shot, and my team’s chamberings generally move faster and pay more attention to BCs.

What a few of us are pointing out is simply that there are more readily available, less compromised ways to find deer killing performance in the 160grs at 2300fps or better bracket, that don’t need to conform to some curious foreign state design constraints. Not that you can’t like it and use it well, I’m happy that you do. But you would be kidding yourself to think it’s more effective than a .30-30, .32 Special, .35 Rem, .308, .358 Win… AR mags in a hunting rifle isn’t a draw for me I’m happy with any quality mag, but if it is for you, all the more power to you and there’s a reason to like it. I just don’t see the .350 Legend as a ballistic revolution, or offering stellar new concepts in cartridge design for our regs up here.

 

[hoytcanon]

What a few of us are pointing out is simply that there are more readily available, less compromised ways to find deer killing performance in the 160grs at 2300fps or better bracket,

But you would be kidding yourself to think it’s more effective than a .30-30, .32 Special...

Yup...

We killed truck loads of deer with .30-30's and .32 Special's shooting 170 grain loads at 2300 fps... and they have been around and effective for a good bit more than a century.

 

[Joel]

Don't think anyone said its new or MORE effective than 30-30s and 32 special?

But it really is doing it from new platforms, and using a lot less/more commonly available resources to do it.