TACCOM 24 Sterling Arms 9mm PCC
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It would seem to me to be a perfect candidate for importation/sales to the USA, where "Stockless" PCCs with Short Barrels are sold as "Pistols" under US law as a way around the usual SBR rules. Stocks are typically replaced by a PCC-specific "Pistol Brace" which essentially provides a short Buttstock without adjustable Length of Pull.
If SAI can market the R9 in the States, then why couldn't they also produce and sell their 10/30 MP5-style "Pistol" mags with Last Round Hold-Open feature?
A Canadian company with Turkish manufacturing ties that can’t get a 180 pattern rifle to run right. Yet they somehow made a 9mm ppc that’s killer
I’d be so far down the list, when sp5 and other clones of the original are available (if you want a semi mp5). Plus a myriad of other proven designs.
will their (Akdas) copy of the sig spear run like this
I’d be so far down the list, when sp5 and other clones of the original are available (if you want a semi mp5). Plus a myriad of other proven designs.
will their (Akdas) copy of the sig spear run like this
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You guys seriously need to make a normal mp5 paddle style mag release as an option...
My mistake this thing has already existed for a least a few years in pistol form.
Jr just decided to rename it/pass it off as some Canadian/sai creation
This whole thing (deceptive). reminds me of AIA rifles and marstar
To my understanding there is nothing whatsoever "deceptive" about what SAI is doing. They have been pretty up-front about saying that they've partnered with AKDAS in order to bring their production costs under control. The case in point being the 33% reduction to the R18 price, from $2700 to $1800 for a significantly product-improved firearm. JR Cox was clear that they brought the R18 Mk3 design (based on the Mk 2 revised with elements of the HK 416 and SIG MCX), to AKDAS, who introduced a few changes and set about marketing it as the "SAM" rifle to their clients. In return, AKDAS provided the concept for the R9, based on the SA-9. The R9 however, makes use of R18 Mk3 Receiver design and aesthetics, just amended with a smaller 9mm Magazine Well. So it is probably fair to say that the R9 is a 50-50 AKDAS/SAI design, whereas the R18 Mk3/AKDAS SAM was 90% an SAI design that AKDAS tweaked to include top-charging. AKDAS was able to go with top charging on the SAM because they are not constrained by the need to maintain the R18 lineage with side-cocking like SAI was in order to obtain a NR FRT entry from the RCMP Lab.
It is clear that you harbour a dislike of SAI and/or their R9 project. That's all well and good, but you shouldn't let your personal feelings get in the way of the facts. To the best of my knowledge, the facts are as I have stated them. Nobody has "re-branded" anything. Both sets of firearms (R9/SA-9, R18/SAM) were developed and are being produced as strategic partnerships.
It is clear that you harbour a dislike of SAI and/or their R9 project. That's all well and good, but you shouldn't let your personal feelings get in the way of the facts. To the best of my knowledge, the facts are as I have stated them. Nobody has "re-branded" anything. Both sets of firearms (R9/SA-9, R18/SAM) were developed and are being produced as strategic partnerships.
The hate is palpable. What did SAI do to you that you have such a dislike of them?
Say what you like, the SAI designs are going to take the Canadian market by storm. All you are going to do is miss out....
I’ve never laid claim to the R9 base design. Akdas had it on the market long before we met, but I think we’ve added some great value to it and I hope the shooting consumers will see that and buy/enjoy it.
We’ve also had to do a complete redesign of all lowers to ensure RCMP compliance with select fire concerns… just for the small Canadian market.
I do think it’s an awesome compliment to the R18mk3 collaboration design and of this I’m very proud of.
I’ve invested heavily in both resources and time on these firearms and am looking forward to the realization of supplying them to dealers soon.
Akdas and SAI are already working on the next generations of firearms for both the Canadian and International markets.
I appreciate that there are a number of you out there that hate me and anything I am involved in. Thankfully there are over 2 million more gun owners for me to market too.
We’ve also had to do a complete redesign of all lowers to ensure RCMP compliance with select fire concerns… just for the small Canadian market.
I do think it’s an awesome compliment to the R18mk3 collaboration design and of this I’m very proud of.
I’ve invested heavily in both resources and time on these firearms and am looking forward to the realization of supplying them to dealers soon.
Akdas and SAI are already working on the next generations of firearms for both the Canadian and International markets.
I appreciate that there are a number of you out there that hate me and anything I am involved in. Thankfully there are over 2 million more gun owners for me to market too.
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. But I can understand your position.
Canadian consumers want an Aston Martin in design, fit and finish; but want it presented in a Toyota price point. There is ZERO way to do that in keeping the majority of the manufacturing in Canada.
You’d be surprised at the sheer number of serious players in the firearm and defence industry that now get a ton of work done in Turkey.
We’ve also found our “outside” Canada partners to be far more eager to assist us and integrate our needs into projects.
Only time will tell if our work and QC skills make these partnerships valuable; but if we don’t try, then the consumer in Canada will only get hit with higher prices and rehashed models.
I for me an excited to get bith Restricted and Non Restricted 9mms.
You guys BETTER have lots of 10/30 or even 5/30 mp5 mags coming aswell!!!
Well said! Canadian firearms owners have a champagne and caviar appetite on a bread and water budget!
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Hardly. Some of us just have enough space in our heads to remember less than 5 years ago when there were plenty of quality rifle designs to be bought for under $1500.
I’m surprised to see JR mentioning all these people that apparently hate him. I don’t think anybody has any hate for the guy, but with all the dud 180s that have hit the market since the ban, you’d have to be a fool to be enthusiastic about any new design.
You can’t blame the consumer for that.
As for the R9… looks different to me. Obviously Sterling has redesigned something there.
The days of quality rifle designs under $1500 are gone and the odds of them returning are slim to nonexistant. $1800 is the new lowest bar for a quality product based on the R18 Mk3 pricepoint, and people are still saying that is a lot of money. That is actually the new bargain-basement, and SAI had to go offshore to achieve that; opening themselves up to much criticism from the peanut gallery in the process. 5 years ago was pre-Covid. It might as well have been last century for all the relevance that 5 year old prices hold today. Inflation has done a real number on those formerly cheap ARs from S&W and Stag Arms.
If you don't think that some people still hold a palpable hate-on for JR Cox, you haven't kept up with some of the spiteful comments on the R18 Mk3 TACCOM videos and the like. Some folks have long memories and continue to hold grudges long after most of the rest of the world has moved on. It is an unfortunate reality of dealing with certain "holier than thou" firearms owners.
Sterling changed a fair bit on the SA-9 to create the R9. The R9 required a complete redesign of the Lower Receiver to ensure that no "bad" parts can be installed with further machining. The Upper Receiver also had to be altered to include Left Side Charging, plus a bunch of aesthetic enhancements. Sterling came up with a "borrowed" idea from Benelli for the R9's Firing Pin Safety, which ensures that the Firing Pin cannot contact the Primer unless the Bolt is in the fully closed position. It is a very simple but effective system.
If you don't think that some people still hold a palpable hate-on for JR Cox, you haven't kept up with some of the spiteful comments on the R18 Mk3 TACCOM videos and the like. Some folks have long memories and continue to hold grudges long after most of the rest of the world has moved on. It is an unfortunate reality of dealing with certain "holier than thou" firearms owners.
Sterling changed a fair bit on the SA-9 to create the R9. The R9 required a complete redesign of the Lower Receiver to ensure that no "bad" parts can be installed with further machining. The Upper Receiver also had to be altered to include Left Side Charging, plus a bunch of aesthetic enhancements. Sterling came up with a "borrowed" idea from Benelli for the R9's Firing Pin Safety, which ensures that the Firing Pin cannot contact the Primer unless the Bolt is in the fully closed position. It is a very simple but effective system.
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I am looking forward to this rifle, It solves all of the issues I had with the other available rifles in its class. I have already explained to my cash why we will no longer be together, and am eagerly waiting on availability.
