modern 7.62x39? BCL, kodiak or other??

beltfed said:
This?
https://firearmsoutletcanada.com/m-m-m10x-z-standard-length-handguard-7-62x39-18-6-black.html

I believe that is a Gen 2, and maybe with Gen 3 internals.
They're cheeper by a bit through CSC.
The Gen 3 is distinct in recognition in that it has holes in the hand guard between the M-loc slots.

It really depends on what the OP or other consumer wants in the rifle.

The M10 comes equipped out of the box with:
- optics rail.
- M-loc slots for accessories.
- Ambi mag release that is well positioned, ambi charging handle, ambi safety (that is useable with the optic mount in place). All good ergos that do not require extra parts or fitment.
- adjustable length of pull butt stock

The T81 at $1300 - 1500 comes bare bones that if one was to upgrade with all of the above comparable features, would likely be as expensive or more so than the M10. One could easily drop $1000 on a T81 in parts ($300-400 for optic solution, $300-400 for stocks, $50 - 100 muzzle device, $100 for revised safety.

If being restricted didn't matter, there are CZ Brens with 11" barrels out there for $2400-2500.

The T81 is decent in its stock configuration, but the cost / benefit starts to loose its footing once one starts throwing parts at it to make it something it isn't.
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I agree with this. T81 is great in its stock config, but doesn’t necessarily match the OPs request of a modern firearm. By the time you invest in the required upgrades to resemble a ‘modern’ firearm, then you’ve likely sunk at least few hundred more into the rifle. It’ll be a reliable dependable rifle; but it can get expensive.

And yea, that link is the one I mentioned previously. I thought it was a gen.2 but then I read this in the description;

This is the newest available version of the M10X rifle.

It also mentions it as a Gen.3 in the title 🤷‍♂️
 
morp said:
I agree with this. T81 is great in its stock config, but doesn’t necessarily match the OPs request of a modern firearm. By the time you invest in the required upgrades to resemble a ‘modern’ firearm, then you’ve likely sunk at least few hundred more into the rifle. It’ll be a reliable dependable rifle; but it can get expensive.

And yea, that link is the one I mentioned previously. I thought it was a gen.2 but then I read this in the description;

This is the newest available version of the M10X rifle.

It also mentions it as a Gen.3 in the title 🤷‍♂️
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I think the store is being willfully cheat. Even the barrel description doesn't match the Gen 3. And yep image is Gen 2. Or maybe they just forgot to update everything about the listing.... but everywhere else I check the Gen 3s seem to be 2200$+. It's the Gen 2 with Gen 3 internals that appear to be ~ 1700$.

But in any case I do agree, I had same dillema. Everyone told me to get T81 for surplus shooter that isn't a SKS and got Kodiak WK181. I just didn't want a "old" gun. And then the rail and optics situation... arghh. I may have tried the M10X Gen 3 but it came out after. No complaints with my Kodiak tho. But I'd guess the M10X is a bit more premium so to say, looks like it and has a chrome barrel. My budget was also ~ 1500$ but maybe I would have say F it hahaha.

EDIT: Wait I'm confused now, the chrome seem to be just for M10X+ . So is there also M10X Gen 3? Or when you folks refer to M10X Gen 3 you mean M10X+? It seems like the M10X+ is advertised as their premium model now from their webpage. Huh?
 
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Roog said:
If I'm remembering correctly there is an x39 version coming but it's still in development.
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I think I've heard so, but only recall them saying the 308 is coming next year. I have a feeling I'll end up with all three, assuming of course the quality and reliability is there. It's certainly worth the wait over what is on the market now.
 
I got a French Tickler and 'modernized it' with a Tapco setup. NIB in Cosmo, chrome bore and sear polished to ca 3# pull, and quite reliable with Chi-MS and Barnaul and others. NO probs at all, and NOT 70+ years old like my previous Tulas.
 
sounds like the m10x gen 3 has got a lot of bugs worked out for sure, i am still considering this as well. as some one stated with the t81 the amount of mods that needed to be added to get it to a point where i am happy would cost the same as the m10 gen 3...if not more... so so far im down to the wk181 or the bcl version but i still haven't even seen a review of one not to mention no one has them in stock.
 
morp said:
I agree with this. T81 is great in its stock config, but doesn’t necessarily match the OPs request of a modern firearm. By the time you invest in the required upgrades to resemble a ‘modern’ firearm, then you’ve likely sunk at least few hundred more into the rifle. It’ll be a reliable dependable rifle; but it can get expensive.

And yea, that link is the one I mentioned previously. I thought it was a gen.2 but then I read this in the description;

This is the newest available version of the M10X rifle.

It also mentions it as a Gen.3 in the title 🤷‍♂️
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These are infact gen 2 "with some gen 3 internals", still not the newest Gen 3 plus rifles
 
The new M10Xs look great and I've always wanted one but talked myself out of it every time by watching the horror show reviews on them. I hope they've finally got the bugs worked out but I wouldn't run out to get one until a bunch of multi-thousand round reviews are out. Sure it's relatively expensive to mod a T81 but at the end of the day you have a super reliable rifle that is no less precise than the M10X and costs about the same vs a rifle that seems to be reliable-ish by early adopters. 25 malfs in 2000 rounds isn't great. The only malf I ever had in 3k rounds of chicom corrosive on a T81 was due to a faulty round that upon inspection didn't have a primer flash hole, haha.
 
bfiles said:
I'd rather this and reduce weight then the abomination DMR versions they had before
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I mean, I'm kinda glad if recent reliability reviews are the signs or real improvements, but with these holes it still remains niche boutique rifle for me, I would never trade T81 for this. As a poster above I would rather make some efforts to bring outdated military platform to my needs, than have modern boutique rifle with obvious design defect. But I understands we all have different preferences.
 
Horilka said:
I mean, I'm kinda glad if recent reliability reviews are the signs or real improvements, but with these holes it still remains niche boutique rifle for me, I would never trade T81 for this. As a poster above I would rather make some efforts to bring outdated military platform to my needs, than have modern boutique rifle with obvious design defect. But I understands we all have different preferences.
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What does holes have to do with making it boutique rifle?
 
Ruger American because it’s a lot easier to clean after surplus ammo. Wish they had a stainless one that came with iron sights. “Modern” rifles should be chambered in 5.56
 
bfiles said:
This is the newest M10x Gen 3 PLUS rifle you can get -

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Okay yeah... I feel calling it gen 3 is a misnomer and misleading then. It's just straight up "M10X+". It's advertised as their premium model when you go on M+M website rather than like an updated model to fix the bugs and replace the old M10X. Hmmm

But in any case it's for sure interesting and love how it looks.
 
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