STORE ASKING FOR A PAL NUMBER FOR A FLASHLIGHT ORDER !!….

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efka said:
if you want to share more personal info than required go ahead, but don't try to make it look like it's normal
too many stores get compromised with cc data being stolen,

no fishing stores ask for your fishing lic #
no health stores ask for ohip #
no car parts stores ask for driving lic #
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And the pharmacist doesn't ask how big your d1ck is when you are shopping for Trojan Magnum Condomns.
 
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efka said:
if you want to share more personal info than required go ahead, but don't try to make it look like it's normal
too many stores get compromised with cc data being stolen,

no fishing stores ask for your fishing lic #
no health stores ask for ohip #
no car parts stores ask for driving lic #
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Is it normal for a store to ask for a PAL for a $400 flashlight? No. This is the first I've heard of it.

Is it normal for stores to request additional information to complete a sale they are concerned might be fraudulent? It's getting there. I wouldn't call it normal YET, but the number of stores doing it is clearly going up.


That said, I don't specifically support the policy. I'd certainly prefer not to give out my PAL number for any reason. It's your money, buy where you want. I'm simply explaining what is going on, and rationalizing why.


Thunderhog said:
Blackpowderburner already stated why. The Canadian Firearms Program was not designed to assist any business in checking out customers for fraud purposes. I am certain if the CFP or CFC knew businesses were doing this, I'm sure they would advise these businesses to cease and desist.

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Don't fall for the corrupt Governments bull-sh1t!.....:(
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For the first part, that is a very interesting point. I bet you guys are right.


As for the latter part, these are private businesses making decisions based on protecting their bottom line. That's called Capitalism. It's not the govt doing it.
 
Thunderhog said:
And you fell right into their corrupt ideas and narrative, you should have told them, no thanks. I'll buy from somewhere else thanks.
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Nah, I didn't care. It was a reputable company that was known to me and no reason not to trust them. As I've been the victim of credit card fraud perpetuated on my business I understood.

I'm more than stubborn enough to dig my heels in when required but I'm also smart enough to know when to pick my battles.
 
Suther said:
Is it normal for stores to request additional information to complete a sale they are concerned might be fraudulent? It's getting there. I wouldn't call it normal YET, but the number of stores doing it is clearly going up.
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concerned with fraud - don't sell online, store only

just because they list an item cheaper than everywhere else, does not give them a right to bend you over.
 
Thunderhog said:
This!....:)

I know I am not the only one thinking this thought. Who pays over $400.00 for a flashlight? Was it made of gold? Did it fire 22 LR ammunition in case of emergencies? LOL I guess I'm out of touch with flashlight costs, but really?.....:)

I agree with the OP that supplying your firearms license to buy a flashlight is bull-pucky. Tell them to, well you know!......:(
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The price is nuts …but that’s Surefire price. I go thru a lot of flashlights at work…inspecting large flying machines at nights ,whose tail sits almost 20 meters off the ground. We’re always looking for lights that are reasonable in size, have tightly focused beams, and most importantly, outputs the most candelas you could get. Not a big fan of Surefire lights g8ven their ridiculous price tag, but sometimes , there’s nothing that meets all the requirements above.
 
Suther said:
Is it normal for a store to ask for a PAL for a $400 flashlight? No. This is the first I've heard of it.

Is it normal for stores to request additional information to complete a sale they are concerned might be fraudulent? It's getting there. I wouldn't call it normal YET, but the number of stores doing it is clearly going up.


That said, I don't specifically support the policy. I'd certainly prefer not to give out my PAL number for any reason. It's your money, buy where you want. I'm simply explaining what is going on, and rationalizing why.



For the first part, that is a very interesting point. I bet you guys are right.


As for the latter part, these are private businesses making decisions based on protecting their bottom line. That's called Capitalism. It's not the govt doing it.
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It will only become normal if we roll over and accept these ridiculous ideas. If people just say no, the businesses will learn very quickly. And yes I know parents are not allowed to even tell their children no these days. Apparently it's too damaging to their learning ability! What a pile of crap! Look at the wonderful children we have these days committing crimes FFS. And again, this is WOKE bullsh1t spewed by our current corrupt government!......:(

So it is the governments fault, unlike you say!......:(

Private businesses using the Canadian Firearms Program for personal gain or to protect themselves is called FRAUD! Now isn't that a kicker Suther. A business using fraud to protect themselves from fraud. Hopefully you can see how this is absolute bull-sh1t and illegal, it needs to stop, and I mean right now.
 
vickers vanguard said:
The price is nuts …but that’s Surefire price. I go thru a lot of flashlights at work…inspecting large flying machines at nights ,whose tail sits almost 20 meters off the ground. We’re always looking for lights that are reasonable in size, have tightly focused beams, and most importantly, outputs the most candelas you could get. Not a big fan of Surefire lights g8ven their ridiculous price tag, but sometimes , there’s nothing that meets all the requirements above.
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A great answer! Thank you for that awesome explanation! I get it now.....:)
 
efka said:
if you want to share more personal info than required go ahead, but don't try to make it look like it's normal
too many stores get compromised with cc data being stolen,

no fishing stores ask for your fishing lic #
no health stores ask for ohip #
no car parts stores ask for driving lic #
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Bless that mindset…..I thought I was losing it and Wifey thinks I’m overreacting .
 
Thunderhog said:
A great answer! Thank you for that awesome explanation! I get it now.....:)
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The wife thought I was nuts to drive 2.5 hrs one way to get a Flashlight, and I told her it was 200$….she was like : you are nuts 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m leaving for the UK on Thursday for a month assignment, and it’s super hard to get these type of products there, thus the urgency .
They really triggered me with their fraud none sense, amazon for #### sake doesn’t do that . What’s really heartwarming, is seeing that other people do share the same vision of life. . ….i need to take a break .
 
Businesses that commit fraud to protect themselves from fraud are businesses I do not and will not do business with.

If we allow corruption to prevail, we will all loose in the end. Stand up for what's right! Stand up for honesty and truth. Stand up for yourself and do not allow businesses or anyone to bully you.

Asking for your firearms license for a flashlight is ridiculous. I bet one can buy pot in any BC store without showing a damn thing, got cash? Sold!

I'm going a bit off topic here, but when will Canadians wake up and see what is happening!
 
vickers vanguard said:
The wife thought I was nuts to drive 2.5 hrs one way to get a Flashlight, and I told her it was 200$….she was like : you are nuts 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m leaving for the UK on Thursday for a month assignment, and it’s super hard to get these type of products there, thus the urgency .
They really triggered me with their fraud none sense, amazon for #### sake doesn’t do that . What’s really heartwarming, is seeing that other people do share the same vision of life. . ….i need to take a break .
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Indeed! I am glad you didn't tell your wife the flashlight was over $400.00. She might have been as confused as me......:) LOL
 
JeffMan said:
Way too much fraud going on these days. I don’t blame a business for trying to protect themselves.

We’re currently inundated with frauds at work, there is no time to investigate a fraction of a fraction of them.

Basically, if you’re reporting a fraud to the Police, that isn’t in the millions, and with a high likelihood of identifying a suspect (in this country), Police aren’t doing anything about it.

In this digital landscape, it’s up to everyone to protect themselves.

If Tenda chose this route to decrease fraud - good for them.

If you don’t want to do business with Tenda because they want your PAL - good for you (no sarcasm intended).

Vote for your favorite store with every dollar you spend.

My card got scammed on a CGN sponsor website (most know what one). They’ve since corrected their vulnerability, supposedly. I still wont spend a penny, of the 10’s of thousands of dollars I spend a year on this hobby, at their store.

I spend lots of money at Tenda.
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Hey JeffMan,

I'm pretty sure you are a Police Constable? And I'm pretty sure you know very well that a business cannot use fraud to protect themselves from fraud.

Using the CFP or CFC to check out ones identity is fraud, it wasn't designed for this purpose. It was designed to confirm the validity of ones PAL while purchasing a firearm in Canada.

You obviously support Tenda to the enth degree by spending lot's of money with them. Your words. And that's great for you.

I too am a retired law enforcement officer with over 25 years of service. Now would I support a business that is using fraud to protect themselves from fraud? Not even maybe! I do not care how cheap their items are to buy.

I look forward to your rebuttal and or response. It would be difficult for me or anyone else I would think, to swallow, knowing a Police Officer has no problem with businesses breaking the law for personal gain....:)

Thunderhog
 
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